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Best Pet to Tank and Build

Discussion in 'Pet/Taming' started by Kuro_Koro, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. Kuro_Koro

    Kuro_Koro Member

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    I want to build TANK Pet for become my personal TANK for do MQ... can someone share me about best pet I need to Catch or Buy and which Build I should go?
    Thanks all :):)
     
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    Any high level pet on 100+ range(more levels, more growth, more stats, that means more hp) nature of pet is devoted for optimum performance. Choose also mag def, phy def, or genius types. Weapon must be close range like staves or swords(so your pet will stick to your target more, but that is just my preference)

    Dicipline vit after choosing any from the holy T of tanking(rage attack and the 2 1mp party buff skills) best try your luck and get 3 skills.

    When leveling up, try to shove as much vit as possible. If you choose "rage attack" skill try to keep matk higher than atk. It will make rage attack magic based and always hit (well, most of the time anyway). If your pet have magic option for auto attack it is also good to pump int as 2nd too(it also raise mdef, so win-win!). If those 2 options are out, pump dex to improve hit(coz pets dont have crit stat, but they do crit mind you)
     
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    I have some question now... sorry still new in pet system :)
    1. I have katana character as my main character and maybe ill get DS too (XD katana and kirito fan)... so Which one is better i get p.def or m.def or genius? Or maybe can u explain the different between p.def or m.def or genius build?
    2. Is the attack type proration work on pet attack too?
     
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  4. Xiavu

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    Pets can only generate decent amount of aggro. If you actually hide your aggro by using sneak or -aggro gears they will tank for you.

    Rng sucks, that is a fact. That is why i gave out 3 good options with most vit stat available.

    Proration works the same as a regular char does. Magic skill by pets produce magic proration, physical skill produce physical proration. Some pets have options of magic or phy auto attacks, they(magic auto) get their auto attack from m.atk .while other pets mostly use atk stat for auto attack damage(physical auto). Whichever you choose it only count as auto attack proration.

    I have a bow pet summoner, with my pet that have magic lance as a dps skill. My combo spamming actually boost magic lance damage while i do my combo.(the fact that my pet's magic lance hits harder than my snipe cannot be ignored)

    Bows and staves do better in using pets due to cast time reduction their weapon provide.(bows got better pet heal bonus too) but in any case all weapons can use them. You just have to get used to a much slower play tempo if you aim fir your pet to do tanking jobs.
     
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    Oke so what i get is...
    1. Higher lvl pet get better
    2. Best nature for tank pet is devoted
    3. For weapon better get melee for tank like staff
    4. There are 3 tank pet type... P.Def type, M.Def type, Genius type
    5. Pet only generate decent aggro that mean for me its hard to make my pet take the aggro cause i dont have any -aggro equipment and skill
    6. Proration still work like my character attack and skill...

    Correct me if i wrong and btw thx for teaching me about pet :)
     
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  6. Xiavu

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    You may also need some pet suppoet skills pet heal and pet mp charge. They are a bit hard to get used to specially if you are a spammer. They have a flat cast time like finale and cannot be affected by cspd.
    (The very least pet heal stargems are still decently priced nowadays) only bows and staves have reduction on castime.
    Best use for pet tanks is for
    Glass mages
    Full support mages
    Staffu
    Stealth bowman
    Tech smith hybrid(cf or finale)
     
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    Allow me to throw my own humble onions about this :rolleyes:
    1 - Yes. With potential maxed in VIT, the pet's VIT start can go well over 255, and at around lvl 90+, it's hp will also start reaching around 10k. I haven't seen what the pet will be like at 170, but it's going to be much higher
    2 - Better nature might be Sturdy since it can auto-dodge a lot of aoes, and has added resistance. I favor this over further boosting even more hp, because some boss skills are not meant to be taken head on :confused:
    3 - I think there's more value in a ranged weapon, especially in a sturdy pet, because they sometimes get perma-stuck trying to dodge aoes (especially if boss likes to spam circles around itself), and your pet might not even be able to land a single hit if it has to be up close (but a devoted pet might be ok because it may not bother dodging at all)
    4 - i don't really see pets as pdef, mdef or genius 'type'. I would more simply focus on the key stats. Stat-wise, the focus should be as much vit as possible, then the rest should be pushing matk>atk. Higher matk would make Rage Attack have magical properties, so wont miss (and then you don't need to further worry about accuracy/hit stats on your pet)
    5 - there's youtube videos of ppl without -aggro gear having pet tank for them. Have a search around for them :). I believe it's possible with high level Rage Attack skill and the pet starting out with a full bar of MP. There's also Sneak Attack (human skill) too which you can use to cover your own aggro somewhat. ;)
    6 - Yes
     
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    You may try to find the best custom pet option for yourself. The comments above are just our opinions based on our own uniqe playstyles. Pet system is the biggest time sink in toram. If you have time, try out other natures, maybe a buff skill or two. I have also come across a player with a gentle tank(buff spammer), a vampire tank(like mine), stealth assasin(mochelo exclusive), solid meat tank(like i advised above, but only one of the variants. @Lenwok 's tank is pure survival, some choose justice for pet ampr). After all this time we barely can scratch the surface of the utility.(pet combat bonus havent been found yet lol)
     
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    Although I agreed with most of what you said, there are something I need to add:
    - Best weapon is actually ranged magical weapon (MD): Ranged pet meaning it can hit and generate agro from anywhere after avoiding AOE (devoted avoids a few AOE), and magical means it will never miss, so it generate back mp faster than physical pet without putting points into DEX (I prefer INT, for more matk and more mdef).
    - Best type is Genius and P.def. I will never choose Mdef because look at those stats.. none of the main Stats reached 80, while Genius gets all to 80. P.Def only has VIT over 110 and low everything else, so I would prefer Genius.
    - Building a Vampire Tank would also be better if the pet is a Genius + MD: Higher damage because of INT stats, so higher HP absorbed. It hits more often from any range also means more HP Absorbed.

    In my conclusion, MD + Genius + Devoted is single-handedly the best combination for tank pets.
     
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    In my opinion if you need a pet to tank, things to consider are:
    - survival of pet
    - aggro
    - ampr

    I think pet nature is probably the first thing to consider prior to pet weapon then type.
    pet nature "devoted" is probably the best for aggro and survival, where it devoted pets get 4 times the aggro and 30% physical and magical resistance
    another nature I would recommend is justice, where it gets double the ampr of other nature, and also it dodge all types of red aoe
    if you want your pet to have a bit of resistance and attack, sturdy is has 15% physical and magical resist and atk, matk (not pure tank pet)

    weapons i would go for ones with more attack speed, where already mentioned above posts, MD is good choice, where it can long range attack, but actually I also suggest knuckles, because if it's a pet with good aggro, boss will mostly just stay next to the pet but knuckles has even higher attack speed. (MD might still better choice in my opinion, specially when boss runs around a lot.)

    as for pet type, actually not that important specially if it's only for tanking purpose, but if you want a perfect pet, p.defence has high vit and genius has overall high stats, depends on what you prefer.
     
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    I am a perro seller, and i noticed a recent surge in price for CALM nature. It is now as expensive as devoted. I don't really understand why but I always consider calm to be amongst the worst pets. The reason is it doesn't avoid a lot of AOE and 30% more hp is just way more hp to heal and harder to absorb. The survivability is less than devoted, and the offensive ability is none for attack pets.

    In a real fight, calm pets die more often than most types of pet. Because unlike players, pets with more hp doesn't mean it can survive better. Players with more hp can still dodge and only need that much hp for errors. But calm pet charges into the aoe all the time so they can't behave like human.

    Yet people went crazy over it. I think this is a big misunderstanding from players, and we need to spread the awareness.

    Also i have sold all of my calm perros for three or four times the price so spreading awareness won't hurt me anymore bahahahhaha
     
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    I find Calm pets to be good as a magic damage dealer. Since I own a support tamer hp isn't much of a problem if all I do was spam heals to keep the thing alive.
     
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    I would prefer my magic dealer to dodge the AOE and relies less on my ability to heal tho, cus you know, when you heal them, you become a sitting duck for a few seconds. Healing should be a privilege, not a common thing. That's why I think smart pets are better than pet with lots of hp. Since you will never heal as fast as the boss can attack.

    Beside, a magic dealer needs all points to INT, so its HP is not much, making 30% hp increase negligible .
     
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    I havent had the time to take a calm pet for a walk since im buisy testing out 5 devoted pets(4 perro,1retainer doll tank healer),my freshly fused vampire tank stone pet (900+ aggro from magic lance+rage attack work wonders since it covers my sneak attack, need long range weapon tho) and the next fodder for my vampire pet. That is 7 pets that is more than level 100+ each to grind. (And my guildies said that i am a glutton for pain! lol) currently grining 4 of them solo at ems(freshly graduated from lapin! Yey!) A good change of venue and a good place for me to gather metal mats that im lacking so much.(fresh out building materials for my land, i cook vit+10 dish)
     
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    Same here, just trying to grind my 5 bow attack perros and it's a hell grind. But i get to observe which nature dies faster. Recently the grind has stopped because i want that proto clarity rose more lol.

    I cook weapon attack so how about we be on friend list?
     
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    You can make use of that big chunk-o-meat by having pet skill "cover level 10" as a legacy skill. Healing your pet fells more like healing yourself (a fully combo-able self heal in a sense) i was planning on having one on the meat tank that i am building. Having your pet act like a barrier skill make full use of the elevated amount of hp yoir pet have and the ease of spamming pet heal using staves and bows(bows have pet heal amount bonus and shorter cast time compared to staves)
     
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    Currently you can find me in ems at int1. Since my guild is based there, my guildies hang out in the bar and sometimes showoff our toons like a mini fashion show. (I got a weird guildmate that is into afros w/santa beird "on a female toon". I am so weirded out i can't use his merc becoz of this).
     
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    that sounds like a good idea. But there is something tho: It means you pet should be a tank or a support(or else 30% hp is not a big increase for an attack pet), and you will become the main damage dealer. Let's break the situations down:

    - For a tank pet, you will not get hit anyway to use Cover. The pet takes most of the hit. A smart, high resistance pet (such as devoted) would always be a better choice, especially if that boss has spikes. Calm pet can't deal with spike at all and will die faster than any one can heal them.

    - For a support pet, you are the main damage dealer and tank. The pet will just try to use its support skills whenever it can. In this case, you also put yourself in the role of a healer too. So you have 3 roles at once to manage (tank, dmg dealer, healer). This is really mentally draining even though it does give you some advantage comparing to being a solo player without pet. I would like crit-up/mag-attack up/resistance to be the legacy skills for my support pet since I'm play DW and DW is quite good at managing alone. I wouldn't spend time trying to manage my pet's hp. A Gentle support that just run around the corner avoiding everything sounds like a better option. Maybe the situation would be different for bow user or staff user? I don't know. But I just can't justify a good reason to use calm pets at the moment. They are bad at survival, and they don't fit in any role.
     
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    My first taste of cover skill is from my vampire pet(lucky 3rd skill lol). All i did back then is spam pet mp charge and also prorate physical skill by using debuff arrows and snipe to boost magic lance damage. Back then my pet's hp is 7k-ish and one magic lance can top up 80% of its own hp in one go(hp absorb yeah!). I only got to use cover skill at mid range level and the next fusion generation is not that fortunate to my dismay.(*pics of my pet's skill is on my thread pets 102*) i hope to test out if lvl10 cover skill can absorb 100% player recieved damage.

    My main goal in looking up on cover skill is for my mage/alch-statter-hybrid. Pet's role is to tank(hold aggro) and absorb damage(finale cast time sucks a lot). So my 2 main role using this char to level up is to deal agrro-less finales, heal my pet and survive any rouge aoe dropped at my head mid cast(with potions as only the ace in the hole backup). Yup basically i wanna solo my alch to cap to see if there is a possibility to do so.
     
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    I'm planning to build a tank pet with the following traits.
    Weapon: Knuckles
    Type: Genius
    Power: Around 70-100
    Skills:
    - HP Absorb Lvl 10
    - HP Gain Lvl 10
    - Rage Attack (Magic) Lvl 10
    Stats: Mostly in Vit and Agi, some in Int just to keep Magic Attack higher than Physical Attack.

    The problem is that I can't decide between either a Devoted, Sturdy, or Steady nature. I know that Steady dodges all red aoe and most blue, Sturdy dodges all red and gets 15% increase in MAttk/PhyAttk/MRes/PhyRes, and Devoted gets +300 aggro and +30% MRes/PhyRes. But which one would be the best nature for this build?
     
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