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Black knight vs Pillar Golem

Discussion in 'Halberd' started by Phamous, Feb 12, 2017.

  1. Phamous

    Phamous Well-Known Member

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    Which xtal would be best for my halberd
    Black Knight or Pillar Golem?
     
  2. BK

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    Bk if u want more dmg, pg if u need the extra 300mp
     
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    PG gives damage too. It's just not visible in stat. But it gives additional boost of damage depends on your current damage.Plus, It will give you +300MP which is very very rare to have in an xtal. Consider that 300MP gives extra AMPR as well. And you do not get that -9% def (this is .. uh nevermind). In short, the xtal is a balance of offensive and utility without any negatives.
     
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    Pg can do more dmg on bosses with very high def/nm bosses because of physical pierce while bkod will do high dmg overall on most normal bosses but doesnt have 300mp so its up to you.
     
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    Physical/magic pierce only takes effect on the enemies guard
     
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    Physical pierce manifests if your opponent's resistance is very high that even your maxed attack cannot satisfy you damage wise simply because it cannot pierce through them. About guard proc on enemy, I'm not sure about it yet.
     
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    Still get bk if u want more dmg, the short rng dmg/physical pierce only adds so little, thats why i said get if u only need the extra mp, because the rest is unoticeable without 100%stab
     
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    Uh .. I'm sure about BK gives more damage but .. I'm not sure about that "Short rng dmg/Physical pierce only adds so little" and "the rest is unoticeable without 100% stab." Simply because those stats is in ℅ (percent) calculations. Yes BK gives more damage, but I'm not sure how significant it gives just to sacrifice -9% def, AMPR and +300MP. Is it really worth it? Hmm .. I wonder.
     
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    For a halberd, if hes content with the mp he currently has thered be no reason for him to use pg, short/long rng dmg% only applies to white dmg then cdmg multiplies that, it doesnt work like cdmg x short/long rng dmg, thats why its little, and def is kinda useless even on a full vit tank, and ampr is bad on halberd because it has no ampr buff skills and it isnt doubled like dw, i used to use pg and with dmg always fluctuating it is unoticeable because u can hit like 109,328 and 109,375 etc i see pg more as a mp xstal because thats really its main benefit
     
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    @BK. for better damage
     
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    Short range damage% works on crit too, if you have 1k as crit and 2%short range, so if you are casting your skill below 8m, it will get 20 more damage, tried it with twilight dragon 4%short range in dragon ears vs dragon ears ns..
    Edit: wrong quotes but still the same person xD
     
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    Hmm .. still not sure about this one. Please enlighten me with a video value wise. Not damage wise.
     
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    Its applied before cdmg, u can see it here in this video, 122x1.50 is 183, if it applied after cdmg it would be 186
     
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    Try it as PG vs. BK on warmonger ulti for better explanation. Same gearset, same proration. If the damage deals 2k+, it means it is significant even if you sacrifice your 300MP, +3 AMPR and +9% def. If 1k below, it means it's not worth it.
     
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    Dw is a utility class so pg will have more value since u get 6ampr from it and 300mp, for other classes its only 3ampr and 300mp, not everyone needs the extra mp, and ampr is little on every class except dw, i used to spam combos on my 2h with only 700mp and using only autos to regain mp, even when i had 400mp i was doing the same, pg isnt for everyone but if u have a 2s weapon it should definitely be in the second slot
     
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    Not everyone farms ulti so its more about the situation, bk is still the best dmg xstal yet for weapon
     
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    is +3 AMPR not useful if you're using autos to regain MP? and is 300MP not useful enough to prevent you from not exhausting yourself to lose MP to the point where you will use auto attack to regain MP? (which again, +3 AMPR will help you)
     
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    I know that BK is more superior damage wise, warmonger normal mode PG vs.BK, same gear, same proration. Damage test. 2k+ significant. 1k below, not worth it. People wanna know if the damage is worth it vs. +300MP, +3AMPR (+6 AMPR for DW) and +9% def. (cause "not all people farm ulti mode.")
     
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    Nope, spamming 1mp combos with trigger buff and 7mp regains 1bar per 4autos, if pg was used it will still be 1bar per 4autos, the other bars of mp were rarely used so something more of something i dnt need becomes wasted, so more dmg helped me there, i auto because of proration so having more mp doesnt work for me
     

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