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Brawler's Grim Future...

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Flaneur, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. Flaneur

    Flaneur Well-Known Member

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    I won't bother with any prologue, I let you knuckle users to see things thru my points below...

    1. Tap Damages.
    We all know tapping the boss specific part to break it contributes to whether we gain Breaker rank or not. It doesn't seem to be an issue at the beginning... but then we came to realize that each tap damage is based on rough patk/matk stat plus minor change according to gears/skills. Once some 1H/2H swordsman joins our party, we can say goodbye to this baby since their tap damages far surpassed ours. (not to mention if those mages/archers bother themselves to join tapping...)

    2. Damages Done While Boss is Staggered.
    Another deciding factor to gain Breaker rank is for us to pack damages when the boss is flinched, tumbled, or stunned (or maybe other staggering status from magic skills?). This is basically next episode of a love story of my first point stated above. Once again we are going to be (and we definitely will be...) left behind by basically every DPS class in Toram since they simply able to stack far more damages to the now staggered boss than we can. No, this point won't do justice for us... again...

    3. Delayed Bosses' Red Aoe When We Brawlers are Not Targeted.
    More deciding factor to successfully achieve Breaker rank, is how many times we can inflict staggering statuses to the bosses. Even better if we can cancel their skills thru these staggering statuses. Now this factor has been a major contribution through my play-hours as knuckle user to achieve Breaker rank at the end of battle. But then I realize it's flaw when I have a decent tank in my party... No more I got targeted by bosses, no more I see their faces. All I have to do is doing doing my job which is boss control make sure no Red Aoe being executed. Then this... I don't know if it's my connection or what, but I'm pretty sure I cancelled every single red aoe the bosses has to serve. But then I saw my party-mate's health down or them getting negative statuses like burn... (which confirmed by them that the bosses aoe were successfully got thru), even though I cancels it all according to my screen. Seriously...? So even we're not allowed to have fair environment to do our part in a party?

    I guess even all those black factors above still can't faze me off my love with knuckles... I just hope future has something bright on hold for us...
    Please do leave your opinion on the matters, since I need every knuckle users insight to get over this...

    Thank you in advance, Guys.
     
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  2. xLd

    xLd Well-Known Member

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    Tapping and staggering is not a factor to getting breaker rank imo.
     
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  3. NineArts

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    unfortunately, the sad truth is that brawlers only specialize in fast auto attacks (and flee), thus, spam skills but only using consecutive in combos to enable 100mp = 4skills.
    smash - sonic wave - bash - shell break

    all other brawler skills can be learned by anyone and achieve boss control and defense down debuff.
    (example: try using a full dex archer, main xbow, sub knuckles - compare skill damage).

    in the far future if they don't add higher level equips with +ASPD, only brawlers will be able to do fast auto attacks and spam skills that fast with good gear.

    if only they enable sub equip of swords to use Astute to boost damage, or if only there is a Brawler Passive that enables brawlers to have High Crit (well there is one non-brawler passive, from Battle skill tree, but you will have to sacrifice 20 skill points to get it, i speculate it's +10% Crit Rate and Crit Damage), then the stats can be distributed fully to Agi alone which solves the issue of DPS (well sort of, but i doubt it will come close to that high crit buff coming from Astute).

    lastly, you can also do a tank+control, Full Agi + Evasion (Dawn Hat, Mirror Shield, Crystal Armor, Crimsoch Xtals, Light Armor Mastery, etc.) + Shield + Provoke build. that's the only best option i can see for brawlers right now.

    if you go Full Agi you will not hit high flee targets, if you go Agi+Crit, you will hit but with lower base damage compared to Full Str/Dex/Int builds.

    Battle Attack UP and Brawler Passive Martial Mastery is not enough to be on par with Full stat DPS builds, and goodluck with the proc rate of Aggravate and Strong Chase Attack.

    it's grim indeed.
     
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  4. Crown3d

    Crown3d Well-Known Member

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    Don't lose faith! I'm not a knuckle user my self, but I want to make one in the future. Maybe 3rd their skills is where you will shine! Toram is unbalanced at the moment. Mages are pretty OP. Just wait for nerfs and buffs. Your time will come.
     
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  5. BlackRex

    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

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    i feel you bruuh @Flaneur as a fellow brawler. Brawler player assemble!!!
    the only reason why i keep playing as a brawler is the char's movement while using combo looks awesome. not just shiny2 slash from other weapon (peace^^)
    i think if weapon(knuckle) damage increase 20 point, probably it will be more balance for all class
     
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  6. Adriant

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    yeah i feel that too breaker reward stealed by 1h user, attacker stealed by mage, tank stealed away, and i not supportive class.... lol where place for brawly !! .

    imo we re more soloing class, evade well, can cancel special attack, have aoe skill..

    still get in party and doomed (*^^)
     
  7. Konae

    Konae Well-Known Member

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    If very low hp bosses like Eerie Crystal are added, it'll boost the popularity of breakers and shield users...
     
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    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

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    Im quite disagree with "low hp bosses" though. Well this give me idea how if there is boss with 10 or more breakable parts
    ?
     
  9. h0tcak3s

    h0tcak3s i want a pet beluga

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    well there is smth to look forward to, the next boss, Warmonger has some really cool knuckles!! so chin up my fellow brawlers. WE WILL SHINE​
     
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    As what I have searched;

    Lv.60 Warmonger
    Dark Gray Claw; no stats about it

    Lv.80 Raid
    Crudele; Evasion +15% Evasion Rate +15%


    they should bring us new updates soon.. :oops:
     
  11. BlackRex

    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

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    Wwooooowwww...
    Cant wait.
    Yeah WE WILL SHINE!!!
     
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  12. Samm

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    im keen on the new set of claws XD
     
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  13. Kimesato

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    Dark Gray Claw is just a stone/metal matt xD I wasnt able to get ghe class dropsd.
     
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  14. BlackRex

    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

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    is there any?
    few thread discussing new armor, hat, and bowgun
    new boss xtal
    i think this update is in favor for crit type build
     
  15. NineArts

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    by the way, what does the new field boss drop?
     
  16. h0tcak3s

    h0tcak3s i want a pet beluga

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    i was fooled. there's non knux guys. sorry .-.
     
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    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

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    False hope still better than no hope. ;)
     
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  18. Deuteragonist

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    But you see, clearly Asobimo loves 2h. Every update they're given at least 1 new sword, and thats not including xtals (such as mauez). So using 2h, the heavily supported class vs brawler, the heavily undersupported class is pretty idiotic. I mean, when is the last time a boss actually dropped knuckles? Mino? Meanwhile, volg, that miniboss in scaro, sword marionettes... the list goes on. I could go on about how archers are under supported too, but at least they get a really crappy bow that was meant to be for vit archers or something.

    Edit: you forgot to mention that 2h has really crap accuracy and just relies on astute spam
     
  19. Islandi

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    Knuckles has another primary stat other than Agi - Int. Stat growth for 1 INT = 4 MATK.
    Most players go for the cool super-speed physical attacks and breaking instead of magic.
    So actually knuckles can be support, heal or magic dps other than breaker + physical dps when they build it right.
     
  20. J.D.X.

    J.D.X. The King of Flies on His Throne of Lies Elite Member

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    Actually, asobimo seems to like mages since they often got more stuff then the rest of us. Only recently did 2 handers started getting some good gear.
     
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