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Build Review: (GSW) Knuckle + Dagger

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Kaisyl, Nov 5, 2018.

  1. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Knuckle + Dagger build specializes in dealing a large number of attacks in a short period of time. The knuckle skills and dagger skills compliment each other in that knuckle attacks are generally build for speed (AGI) and dagger passive, [Mail Breaker], requires a large number of attacks to trigger which when I tested, it does.

    Stat build
    - 255 AGI
    - 50 DEX
    - 50 VIT

    255 AGI maximizes the attack speed as well as base knuckle attack, 50 DEX allows for some hit rate and attack boost and lastly, 50 VIT is purely for HP for survival.

    Gears were also taken with a focus on evasion rather than guard.
    - NPC Chemical Ring [+D]
    - Assassin Garb [+D]
    - Tyrant Mask
    - Beast Talisman {Eerie Crystal}

    Skills were all dagger passives maxed except evasion attack and Chariot maxed.

    Due to dagger passive and high ASPD and AMPR, short MP costly combos were able to be used to avoid red zone damage areas.

    Pros:
    - Extremely fast, no need for swift tag in combos, the effect is minimal.

    Cons:
    - Non-existent defenses, you die in one hit.
    - RNG playstyle, evasion is not able to be capped and this means you can and will get hit by any type of attacks, just rarely by physical.
    - Unable to solo play. Bosses will one-shot.
    - Low damage
    - Bad proration

    Conclusion: A horrible build not worth the time for consideration

    Well, there's my opinion on this build. maybe I did somethings wrong but the devs need to make evasion build viable. Flashblast would be nice but that's only 12 seconds or so for non-DW.
     
  2. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    With VIT 50 you already have at least 4K HP and 5.5K hp with Vita which is better then some dps class that only have 2k hp at LvL170.

    I agree with low Damage compare to other tier4 skill, but soloing boss definitely not a problem (unless is ultimate mode above) for a brawlers especially you have high flee and evasion.
     
  3. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    When I say you can't solo, I meant that bosses with magic skills (Almost all of them) will steam roll you with absolute pathetic ease. It doesn't make it much more better that you only have neutral proration going for you which suffers a little everytime you try to make a smited combo unless you use impact. Impact can tumble, some bosses hate that and will hit you for it. GSW makes you defenseless and RNG evasion doesn't help much for it unless you somehow mix in guard and evasion together in a singular build.... I'll probably reattempt this when guard lv3 comes out.
     
  4. ugliest

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    Yup,

    Dagger is arguable the worst subhand for knucks.

    GSW on a knuck is best used with shield as you get the pdef option.
     
  5. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    First, everyone know GSW is a suicide skill. If just want increase evasion to cap, Lil dagger + Evasion(adv) skill + LVL10 reflex will do. Second, boss high damage skill always have a casting time, unless you are stuck in the combo or get disable ailment ,else everyone will choose to manual dodge, including tanker itself. Third, I was talking about the “1 hit dead”, as mention with VIT 50 you are far more better than those DPS build, unless you never manage your HP bar or didn’t turn on auto potion.

    Defending stat is not for guarantee survive but to increase the surviving chance, you still need to improve your own manual surviving skill not only rely on that defending stat. Nowadays most of the boss have fractional skill and ignite skill, a pure VIT tanker also having difficult on tanking those boss. If you really want to increase your surviving, go get ginko nut rice, element resistant emulet, and gem, this is better than your added guard and evasion in your build and make in jack-in-all-trade.
     
  6. Aka Kuro

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    Just for fun, for player interested in this topic ^^;
     
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  7. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Now try this on any lv100 boss (not mini) on normal difficulty.
     
  8. Lenwok

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    You could probably get away with this build on maton normal ;)
     
  9. Aka Kuro

    Aka Kuro Well-Known Member

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    Sound like an order but anyway here u are. Suicide build but really fun ^^ (Random Pt)
     
  10. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    You nearly got yourself killed sooo many times and that's just venena.

    Least you can fight a bit with it so so gg
     
  11. Yunan

    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Won't meikyo reduce the cdmg?
     
  12. Aka Kuro

    Aka Kuro Well-Known Member

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    yes, but i m using master's tonfa so better to use meikyo. Also, that save me a xtal slot for wandering wheel
     
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    Aka Kuro Well-Known Member

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    xD thats gsw (to be honest, i may still get one hit by that hard banana as long as i use kairiki so disadvantage from gsw is nothing for me ^^
    Btw, thinking of barriers for this build since increasing resistance seems not very efficient
     
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  14. HoboOnline

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    Interesting.

    I'm about to test whether luck/tech increases the chances of amazing throw and mail breaker to trigger. As I'm hoping the chance attributes are linked to those stats. As Crit isn't such an issue nowadays.

    I've found that the consistency of them varies significantly.
     
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    *clap* *clap* BUILD. REVIEW.
    Luck and tech have absolutely nothing to do with amazing throw.
    And that 50 Dex does basically nothing. It would be better spent on crit or vit.

    Meikyo-5% Cdmg is not too great of a loss for the huge crit boost and the stats from tonfa, but overall yeah it isn't very good. Rough to use. And sadly, FLEE does basically nothing at all for the attacks that matter. Fractionals all have perfect aim, as well as magical attacks, and bosses have extemely high HIT compared to the FLEE that's available
     
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    *Clap* *Clap* SKILL. REVIEW.
    When they first announced mail breaker buff revamp I was really excited since free +100% ampr and +75crit on autos would be darn diddly good.
    After release the activation rate of buff only being 10%
    Me: *Facepalm*
    And yeah no way tec or luk gonna increase that lol how is that even possible. I would have mentioned it in the list if it were indeed true.
    It gives 50% pierce to hidden arm attacks!!
    Use dragon tooth boi, dont waste your time with this 1 multiplier extra attack.

    So yeah this skill gets a 1 out of 10. A real waste of sp and time. You will never see it activating on most of your battles in this fast kill farm meta. Even when it does activate at that time the buff is not even good enough to bother yourself with.
     
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    I applaud the use of masters tonfa :D
     
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    when you copy others build is like this..
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  19. Jaeyson

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    Maybe flee will have a boost

    I saw a video where a mage using MD, moved while casting at the moment there's a red zone, the mage moved a little to the left, away from the red zone.

    Im guessing evasion will be improved soon



    That being said, thats just the red zone (physical), I doubt it can evade like that on a blue zone (magical)
     

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