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"But, Sir! INT-STR might work someday!"

Discussion in 'Mage' started by Atlas Mangkulangit, May 26, 2019.

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Will the build work?

  1. Yes.

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  2. Impossible.

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  3. Not now, but maybe later.

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  4. Keep on dreaming, son-o!

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  1. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    In the end when we can, maybe i shouldve stated when caps are high enough but i just thought ppl would know, ya know?
     
  2. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    I have to use storm to solo on some bosses, which as you can guess, isn't great for my dps lol. Hopefully either storm or burst get buffed soon. Even though I can solo bosses using finale, I would much rather prefer to use storm or burst if they did more damage.
     
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  3. Yunan

    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Well, I've made a theory craft thread regarding magic crit elemental mage here , and there are two main issues.

    First, if you look at the build itself, to reach its full potential as substitute for finale build, you need to have all elemental staffs you can get to reach 192% damage from magic crit, weaken and elemental advantage. You also need to have curious dress, which isn't available all year long. Thus this build is very exclusive and need a heavy investment, it also exempt neutral bosses.

    Second, the reliability of inflicting weaken debuff, it has a stupid restriction with it being a magic skill that CAN miss. It relies on HIT like physical skills and even if you can boost the hit chance with magic crit from spellburst there is no way to reach more than about 25%-30% with magic crit rate from spellburst alone. Unless you could reach 400 physical crit somehow, which you actually could, but that requires proto clarity rose's 140%crit, curious dress 100% crit, and 255 CRT Stat, but to actually use magic swordsman build is not even remotely good

    If they somehow remove the restriction on element slash, then it is feasible. Devs obviously pushing for the magic crit with curious dress. But not good enough, at least for now.

    So for now, as Mayam said, it's Better to just increase your survivability with more maxhp and resistances, and try to time your finale the best you could. Too much hassle to get a proper build out of it and being half assed about it won't do any actual benefit, even considering all the finale limitation you mentioned
     
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    AH HERE WE GO AGAIN!!
    Just Build.....tam tam tam tam!!!!!! INT + CRIT TA DA!!!
     
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    AH HERE WE GO AGAIN!!
    Just Build.....tam tam tam tam!!!!!! INT + CRIT TA DA!!!
     
  6. Zezusa

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    I am not pro so i may sound like a noob in comparison to you guys but.... yes u can solo with finale, magic lances help in that area although some bosses like pikachu teleport mostly which make stop useless, the idea of magic swordsman sounds cool on paper, but sword +md is kinda weak on low budget but it’s interesting still, actually I plan to take another attempt with it with spellburst in mind. However I think unlike other builds you’ll need to be spam heavy with combos while staying far using long range attacks. I haven’t seen any magic swordsman build like that as yet but I plan on doing something like that, imo it’s not if it’s accepted by the general community it’s about the user enjoying their unique style of gameplay.
     
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  7. Atlas Mangkulangit

    Atlas Mangkulangit Active Member

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    If you didn't read the full texts in the top post, then let me enlighten you.

    It's not about Magic Crit, it's about using physical attack to get a bit more damage. The 25% Magic Crit is just a bonus.
     
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    Atlas Mangkulangit Active Member

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    Yes, this is what pushed me into thinking about this build. I don't know when it will work, but I am still waiting and formulating. Have been doing this for about 3 months now (on paper), and it's getting better bit by bit.
     
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  9. Atlas Mangkulangit

    Atlas Mangkulangit Active Member

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    Pro or no pro, noob or no noob, all thoughts are very much appreciated. If not by others, then by me. So please continue to spill your thoughts.

    The thing about magic swordsman that doesn't work well is because it doesn't have a real advantage. The physical damage is lousy, and magic damage is a lot worse. This is because both 1H and MD are weak and combining 2 weak crap, in most cases, won't make you stronger. Fun fact? I used 2H in my magic swordsman build and its Magic Burst and Magic Storm is higher than using 1H-MD. Coincidence? I think not. It is just 2H with their dumb strong sword. I deleted the build, though. I didn't especially building it just to use 2H as my main weapon.
     
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    Atlas Mangkulangit Active Member

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    Ah, if you aim for Magic Crit, then it's always better to just do whatever Mr. BK and mayam said. Continuing on using Finale and use Stronger against Elements stats. It's far more better, a lot better. Trying to get 100% MCR is like a dog chasing its own tail, it seems close but you can't get it. At least not easily.

    The thing I mentioned here is not about Magic Crit here, it's about something like, can solo without Finale, can kill mobs without Javelin, can make use of AMPR by getting 100 Crit Rate (not Magic Crit). Sometimes you just need 100 more MP to cast Finale but you can't use AMPR because of Miss, and that's just plainly vexing. Sometimes you can't use Finale simply because the boss won't stop moving. There are many more scenarios, but I am pretty sure you know it.

    About making Magic Burst surpasses Finale, it's impossible. So I won't work on it. Except if there's any buff for Burst in the future. For now, instead of doing that, I will just figure out about how to cast Burst faster without ruining proration. Spamming 4 magic skills in a row is a pain in the proration.
     
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    Yeah I tried it too, resented it as well, but I like a challenge and personally I like non standard builds especially if they are successful, there are some new things I wanna try , I rly wanna see how far magic goes with critical rate, if this thread is still open by the time I do that, I’ll post my first hand experience here. It would be a good reference for the future anyways.
     
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  12. Atlas Mangkulangit

    Atlas Mangkulangit Active Member

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    You bet I can totally relate to that! Also, please do share your success stories later because I am pretty damn sure it would be wonderfully inspiring.

    Well, like you, I also still working on this build bit by bit. Soon, I hope, if I can finally see the thing I am aiming for, I will share it here. For now, I will just keep dreaming, because the voters think so too! :D
     
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    I do Int-Str Mage too, except I am doing it for a hybrid staff+knux mage.

    And if anyone is wondering why I don't call it a "Staff-Fu" build, i am using mainly mage skills on it, so it's not really Staff-Fu. Inflicting fear ailment from KameHam- I mean "Chariot", is the main reason I am even using knux in the first place. xD

    Why have such a mage? Well, some event bosses kinda doesn't like being flinched, tumbled, and/or stunned and I want a mage that have skills that interrupts those bosses somehow, and I settled with inflicting Knockback and Fear, so I came up with using a Staff+Knux mage.
     
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  14. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    I'd like to see where it goes. Even if it doesn't end up great, it would be nice to see someone try thier best at a buid that uses magic crit. Asobimo also said they would be reworking some of the magic blade skills, so we might be able to expect magic crit builds to become better.
     
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    Atlas Mangkulangit Active Member

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    Aye, I can totally understand what you are aiming! I can say that my aim is similar to yours. At times, I also wish to have mages that can use all ailments like stop, slow, freeze, and armour break. Unfortunately, it's still hard to get decent damage with this build I am trying to make.
     
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    Atlas Mangkulangit Active Member

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    Honestly, I also want to see where it goes. Will I be able to enjoy it, will I not, I absolutely don't know because I haven't tried it. But if it happened to live up to my aims (which is not magic crit, but comfortable to use for soloing). Thanks for your words, it means a lot! It's good to see someone who sounds their thoughts carefully, in friendly manner. :D
     
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  17. MyLastDreams

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    Kind of similar to what i was trying out recently and honestly, it was a letdown. While i could quickly get burst to instant cast overall i was still stuck for just as long as a single finale cast with ALOT less damage even with weaken and element bonuses. Honestly if I didn't care more about trying new things over effectiveness id probably never make another mage that isnt full support currently.
     
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    I have seen someone use that build, it seemed weird at first but they was rly good with it, I didn’t even know that combo was possible until I saw it in action. But it’s my inspiration for my build since I see skills I won’t normally use seem useful now. All I need now is to have a good sword to start xd.
     

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