!!!CAN ANYONE ANSWER HOW DOES ODEL DO MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOVUA!!!

I was looking at the forum posted by the 13th senpai and dug out this formula:

Final Damage (Physical skills) = (Base Damage (Auto attacks/Physical skills) - DEF + flat Unsheathe Attack [IF the skill is Unsheathe] + Skill Constant) * Skill Multiplier * Total crit damage/100 [IF you Crit] * (1 + Unsheathe Attack%/100) [IF the skill is Unsheathe] * RNG Stability/100 * Total Element Boost/100 * Current Physical Proration/100 * (1 + sum of all Skill Modifiers/100) [IF the skill is affected] * (1 + Short/Long Range Damage/100 [depending on the attack used]) *


It clearly says that fault unseath is directly added rather than calculating the unseath percentage and then addition of that value.
Even tho I ask everyone they all have the same view that odel does more damage than goovua no matter what!!
It doesn't make any sense!?
HELP MEEEEEE

 

Pfft, u believe in formulas?

 

Uhuh it is the easiest way to explain things in most accurate way!!
Don't tell me toram is not a vituram MMORPG but is happening in real time somewhere in some freaking unknown planet and it has millions of variables that you can't account so you just believe what you see and other tells you without knowing the actual fact even being a well known member of the community.

About your question yes I do cause it's a freaking game which is guided by MATHEMATICS!!!

 

Never truth Asobimo's formula, it don't work the way u think

 

Formulas are meant to work the way they are supposed too no exception .-.

 

it's because someone made a youtube video about odelon.
if it's on youtube, everyone will believe it, even if it's not true.
especially when it has some annoying music in it that makes your ears bleed.
i think it's some kind of mind control technique.

 

Except there are sometimes bugs in the system and when i say bugs these are the ones the devs themeselves cant fix so they go like... "well fuk it i guess it part of the game now."
Thats the most ancient problems of programming. The program dont work and they dont know why, the program works and they still dont know why... Well atleast for me its true.

 

So it implies that even the one of the most recognized and veteran member haven't tested out it and they are letting all the new guys fall into the trap of some youtubers?

 

Well because of why there is smith called debugging and time and time again toram has sought to fix these bugs like recently the one with dex 13% stat!!
I believe rather being a coding mistake(like the one in spinning slash), it is because of lack of info and the whole community to provide correct information!!

 

Ee whose veteran now?? Im just playing toram for the apps XD Also im referring to real program writing (i thought youll get the reference but geez rip my humor.)

Edit: geez i read it wrong. Apologies XD
But ill still tell my opinion here even if its not contributing to anything XD

 

You read and replied wrong reply :v

 

Also why the heck are you upset lol. Did you make this thread hoping to reduce the price of odelon or something? A lot of real veteran players are on hiatus now due to the state of the game. Unless an interesting new component of the game is added you wont see further testing. Nobody is letting newbies fall into a non existing trap. Also if you dont believe in the info on the forums youre always welcome to create experiments yourself and correct any "incorrect information" as long as you provide evidence. No need to be angry lol have fun. And i bet most of the newbies wont be worrying wether odelon is better than goovua since theyll be focus on world exploring first so no need to hide in the shadows of newbies just to imply that you want someone to agree with your opinion.

 

Who is hiding btw I started playing few months ago and having a good equip doesn't make you a veteran! I thought the one so called well know members and elite members and mods of the community had an explanation to everything else the rank is waste :v
While everyone is following the same guide of one of the most respected member and showing off his hard dug info!! Why doesn't any one question the result that ought to come but it's not happening ?
Clearly the formula state that flat unseath should give more damage but in game it's not happening so my dear senpai while you guys should be questioning the information if it is faulty, what's happening is you unsee the fact and go with the flow?

 

Actually, it makes perfect sense. However, we're going to need A LOT OF MATH to prove it. I'll add a TL;DR at the end.
Let's say your Katana's ATK is around 1.7k (don't have an accurate idea of what a Katana's ATK should be).
With Two-Handed, this amount is increased to a whooping 2.5k - 2.6k on crits. Considering the usually low resist of bosses, let's assume your base damage is around 2.5k. There's also DEF to consider (unless you're using Garyou with Kairiki), which is usually around 400 - 500 for most bosses, so let's knock it down to 2k for the sake of rounded numbers.
Flat Unsheathe is added to base damage before all those multipliers, that much is true. However let's check how much those extra 100 actually does to your damage overall. For this, we need to consider "diminishing returns" .
2000 + 100 = 2100
While it's good on paper, let's see how much your damage increased overall:
2100/2000 = 1.05
With Goovua, you deal 5% more damage than you used to. Why is it that low? The main culprit of it would be Two-Handed, as it increases your total ATK by 50% on crits. Since flat Unsheathe is different from ATK, it doesn't get that boost and thus, due to diminishing returns, becomes less viable (Don Yeti, on the other hand...).
Now let's compare to Odelon. Let's assume you use Godspeed and Flash Blast, a Top Hat and Baphomela, so you already have a 1.4 multiplier for Unsheathe.
Let's start by adding one Odelon.
1.4 + 0.1 = 1.5
1.5/1.4 = 1.071
With one Odelon, you deal 7.1% more damage than before. This is already better than what Goovua offers. However let's add a second, a third and a fourth Odelon.
1.6/1.5 = 1.067
6.7% more damage from the second Odelon.
1.7/1.6 = 1.0625
6.25% more damage from the third.
1.8/1.7 = 1.059
And finally, 5.9% more damage from the fourth.
Even though diminishing returns affects Odelon, it doesn't affect it as bad as Goovua, thus explaining why Goovua is worse than Odelon IN MOST CASES.
Why only in most cases? There are some cases like high resistance/high DEF bosses that reduce your base damage quite drastically even with Two-Handed, thus making Goovua more viable. However, since most YouTubers don't fight those bosses, Odelon works better for them.
This is why when people ask me "which is the best build/equip", I can't really answer them. Damage calculation isn't that cut and dry and some bosses will favor certain builds over others (if the anti-melee trend isn't obvious already). The formula only explains how damage calculation works, and should be used as a help to fine-tune a build, not to determine which build is best.

TL;DR: Two-Handed OP, makes Goovua increase ridiculously low; bosses with high DEF and/or Resistance make Goovua great again.

EDIT: Forgot to consider Skill Constants as well. Needless to say, it only makes things worse for Goovua.

 

That means the simplified reason is that fault unseath(i.e. flat 100 from goovua) doesn't get the so called 2hs buff(i.e. 50% on crits) but the 10%unseath buff(from odel) gets it which is the major problem here!
God that makes so much sense thank you senpai!!
Btw I could have asked you on message but I thought you retired thank you so much!

 

It's not that Odelon gets the buff. It's more like, since Unsheathe% technically multiplies base damage, it doesn't really affect Odelon in terms of diminishing returns. However, since flat Unsheathe is added to base damage, this causes Goovua to lose in effectiveness because of Two-Handed.

TL;DR EDIT: Two-Handed don't care about Odelon, but oppresses Goovua minorities.

No problem, hope this helps.

 

I see the problem now I always thought that the unseath % boost given by any stat is multipled to the base unseath so it didn't make any sense!! While the actuality was the 10% boost was given to any unseath atk gosh I am a fool

 

Eh, no worries. I made lots of mistakes when writing the guides myself, hence I needed a bunch of people to proofread.

 

Which means to say, also because of two-handed, don yeti is better than goovua in most cases? Against low def bosses?

 

Yup.