can you play 2H without rampage+berserk?

ok, so i dont like berserk skill because it reduce my stab, i can take care of my crit and aspd without berserk buff, so i just dont want to use berserk skill at all
and then, i still want to get ampr from rampage tho, but the lame thing is that i need to use berserk to retain my rampage buff, so this is a bit conflicting to say the least
is there anyone here who doesnt use rampage+berserk for their 2h? would it be impossible to play 2h without these 2 skills?
my only problem is the +25 ampr i'd lose if i dont use rampage

 

To answer your question. Yes you can
I know of one. But she won't come on to say her experience due to different playstyle.
Well there's Trigger Slash & Decoy Shot for AMPR.

 

Yes, you can. You have Astute which is 50 crit, you get 15+ from a FC armor, and the rest 10 crit is from Two Handed and Critical UP. For AMPR, you will lose 25, but if you use Decoy it shouldn't be a problem.

I am planning to try building one without Berserk and Rampage, but I will be using Carbuncle Edge instead (when I do actually get it lol) which is +75 crit, because I don't like having to rely on the 10s duration of Astute.

 

glad theres someone who doesnt use those skills

yes yes, carbucle edge is the reason why i dont want to use rampage and berserk anymore
the only thing i worry is ampr, well i hope losing 25 ampr wont affect much, with decoy i actually lose 50 ampr tho

 

Sorry i know u hate low stabilty but its inevitable i just feel berserk gives 2h too much free stats to refuse on. Allowing 2hs to focus all full damage gear without unable to crit. Thats how people reach 4k attack but if u go for crit instead and u will lose alot of damage since atk% works much better on 2h sword.

 

Also even if u have good stabilty, poor accuracy also reduce stabilty if boss is high dodge type u will begin to graze and graze divides ur stability by 2. This is why spam meta works go for lucky hit > 1 big hit(dunno will work or not by being guarded evaded missed etc)

 

Having high atk but often dying isn't helping. Rampage and Berserk lowers def mdef so much you get no dmg reduction from those stats. Having at least 250 def and mdef can be quite useful (it gives 20% dmg reduction IIRC).

 

my mistake for not specfifying what weapon i would use in my first post
im going to use carbuncle edge, so no crit rate needed anymore no berserk needed anymore
this sword got 90% stab which is really really high
u know that most 2h weapon before is 70% stab, combine it with berserk, u actually been attacking boss with a mere 45% stab, and just like u said graze divide your stab by 2, so you actually attacking boss with 22% stab when you got graze lol thats really pathetic in my opinion
thats why i dont want to use berserk anymore because 2h savior which is carbuncle edge is here, i just want to make it works

 

Well u can have +c equips and if u use defense skill from battle skill tree u can get 250 def and mdef its not affected ive seen on vid recently. But i go for 255 str dex= vit decent amount of hp once im at lv 180 id have around 11k-12k

 

You can also burn yourself with kairiki ranshin.There is also an option to use 1mp combo with quick, buff skills as fillers.
The other method is to use shell break for the chance of getting 400mp back +armor break ailment

 

Sigh i generallt wont worry about ampr because avatar so maybe try that u can get alot ampr off that. And also i am in favor of idea of npc gear my 2h will be using fullly npc/ boss. Rn im using white choco eater great sword love that -100% aggro but yeah weapons will continue to progress eventually u need to change weapons

 

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With white choco eatrr rampagr+berserk literaly spamming impact metoer without a care about aggro

 

I made this guide a small while ago:
https://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/generic-crit-gear-no-weapon-sub.45089/
... which could be updated a bit more now.

But the main point is, its feasible to reach 100 crit without astute, berserk, rampage, crit on wep as well as crit on sub weapon.

Im likely going to scrap berserk+rampage on my 2h too during this reset period. Especially now that white choc eater could be used for -100% aggro build.

 

i dont really care about -aggro
also wont be using another weapon other than carbuncle edge
the stat is too good to pass honestly

yeah but my luck with ava stat is so bad, i lose all my ailment resist ava stats because of the rollback, i tried gambling again with the fairy wing they give now i got shit stats agh

i doubt theres gonna be another better 2h sword besides carbuncle, unless they release another 90% stab 2h weapon with a really good stat, for now its the best 2h sword at least in my opinion

 

Do you plan on shooting for 100% cr AND stab? Cause that would be nice as heck. I too dislike berserk but rely on rampage to assist trig and decoy so I can support and 'dps' on my 2h and nothing gets me sick than seeing 5k auto followed by 600dmg auto

btw what are we going to do about crit dmg? cause im in love with this white chocolate and probably gonna farm a high dmg carby-chu wep

 

Although stat wise it might not as good as carbuncle but as players our stat is cap at 255 so only other way to increase dmg is better atk weapons as we go on attack on weapon will increase with +s huge difference in attack will happen

 

Hello, welcome another berserk hater xD
Reset my tank to a 2HS and now getting started as a dps, using my white choco eater 421+C (Gwaimol), Bear Hat+E (York), Soldier Armor+B cd5ccc17 (Ifrid), Muscle tal IV. My stats are STR->VIT and I would like to add more survivability with NOT USING berserk and rampage since I have 101cr anyway, lol.
The point is im lost in creating decent combos and currently Im using the combos from Ninja Build, but theyre kinds lacking in DMG...
With my full STR and 147 VIT Im at 2700atk but testing my dmg out on poor Don Yeti my combos did 200-550k DMG (dont even know if its good, since yeti is lvl103 and Im lvl164, lol).
Any skill/combo advice would be really appreciated :3

My stats on Coryn:
http://coryn.club/stat_calculator.php?code=19655c9ff421acaf7

Im thinking about using quick aura+trigger (and decoy ofc) to get ampr instead of berserk and rampage.

 

I recommend a diff 2h because without spamming u are not using it fully plus 50% crit rate isnt 50 crit it just is 50% of ur base crit . Which is 25/2=12 cuz programmers round down. Next if u do have 100 cr u dont need berserk anymore because mainly i use it because 50 crit rate it gives to a 2h. Although without 25 ampr and 1200 aspd u can get more ampr from ava which then also increase decoy ampr. As for me i use choco empress garb bear hat muscle 4 all npc. With all that ampr and apsd from berserk and rampage with decoy i can spam impact metoer constantly only to the point i dont even need to auto attack.