1. Welcome to the Toram Online Forums. Please make sure to read our rules and be friendly to all our members.
    Click here to read the rules before posting.
    Dismiss Notice

Close Range Support!!

Discussion in 'Secondary Trees' started by Squid, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Caskadia

    Caskadia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2015
    Messages:
    418
    Likes Received:
    292
    I would consider, rather putting mentality, to put in dex for shield bash. As bosses get higher lvl, you're gonna have a hell of a time landing a shield bash with just 1 dex, compared to their dodge rates.
    In addition, mentality is somewhat useless to me. When I tested it months ago, it didn't actually do anything worthy of note, besides lowering the damage done when I get burned or poisoned. However, recovery skill can easily amend that, and without the need of putting stat points into it.
    So yeah, I recommend putting in dex instead of mentality, especially in the current game where 1 dex just doesn't cut it for nornal hits.

    As another option, since you dont use bless in priest tree, just going all vit for survivability is more than viable and get rid of shield bash all together. While stuns are undoubtedly nice, they can only be used about once every 30 seconds, and lasts for 5 seconds. If my supporter needs to go into the fray to stun, and at 1 dex, have a high chance of missing anyways, I'd rather he stay put and support from the side lines. That, or perhaps just get shield cannon.

    Now, I realize you're making this as a close-combat support, so I'm a little biased, since I believe a supporter shouldn't be in the middle of a battle, but should stay on the side lines and micro manage everyone's status.

    Something you should keep in mind is how long your combos take to complete. Right off the bat, I'd say your first combo will take around 6-7 seconds to complete. Your other combo may take around 4-5 seconds. In the middle of a battle, with a boss using aoes and high damage, this can be very dangerous. As such, I recommend shortening your combos to what's actually necessary. For example, your second combo casts both aegis and protection everytime you cast arrows, but why would you want to reapply the shield buffs every time like that? At lv10, those shield buffs last for 10 mins each, which is plenty of time for a party to kill a boss without needing a reapplication. Instead of having shields after arrows, perhaps another shorter buff would be more useful, such as gloria, which last 30 seconds, or maybe bless if you choose to get that.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    Going dex is a good idea if we're going to go dex, can't argue there, but what if we couldn't hit the boss at all? Wouldn't that make a difference in going 3 vit : 1 dex, also I heard that going ment decreased tumble and flinch recovery so I just dumped it there. As for using shield bash, it's just a combo starter and the stun is a bonus. Then as for shield buffs (protections and aegis) I only use them at the beginning of the battle, I don't rebuff them, it's a one time combo so I have it set in my tab in the shortcuts, as for gloria I'm not wasting 15 sp for a buff that doesn't last longer than a minute, I would rather have guaranteed buffs and have them last log and know that my party will have buffs for a while than a short buff that doesn't last long and that I have to recast. As for the combos lasting long, you can interrupt your own combos, like if you start off combo #1 and all you wanna cast is sanctuary, let shield bash and sanctuary activate, then when your in the middle of activating sanctuary, immediately cast mini heal or recovery. This makes it so you stop your combo and you're getting what you want to get.
     
  3. Caskadia

    Caskadia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2015
    Messages:
    418
    Likes Received:
    292
    I heard the myth that mentality shortens flinch, tumble and stun, but when I tested it, it did no such thing, or no such obviously seen effect. I'm only letting you know on my opinion of your combos, as I think they are somewhat inefficient in how they are placed or used. If the combo for the shield buffs is a one time thing, why not just spend the 200 mp to have both shields, and then let it be. That'd give you 4 more combo points to mess around with. Of course, the play style of a supporter is up to you and I'm only giving my advice on the build as to what I think a supporter should be, no offense meant to your build.

    On anther note though, I don't really understand your beef against gloria lol. It lasts longer than sanctuary does (as an example buff that doesn't last long), casts just as fast iirc and can be put into a combo, it's also more "guaranteed" as a buff than sanctuary, since that skill is static and the player must be on top of it, but gloria is put directly onto the player and is active no matter where the player goes.

    Once again, just giving my two cents.
     
  4. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    I'm comparing the shield skills with gloria because I'm a close range support and gloria wouldn't be worth it if I had to cast it every minute when I could just cast the two shield skills once and be set for 10 minutes.

    I really don't mind the ment tbh, if it help it does, we may not know it's function but I'm doing fine not going full dex because I'm executing my combos without fail.

    As for the shield combo, I just made the combo up because I had spare cp, it may not fit everyone's taste but it helps out, I don't want to recast gloria or bless over and over again because as you said before a second could be the difference between life and death.
     
  5. BlackRex

    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,855
    Likes Received:
    1,209
    IGN:
    BlackRex
    question : what boss/mini boss fights that we need this kind of build? GK n arco?
     
  6. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    Idk tbh :/ I've never tried it on arco nor GK, but I use it on roga so my 1h guildies can easily spam away their attacks without worrying about dieing, also this is just a support build x3 not everyone is required to have a supp in their pt since most think that most supp aren't beneficial in their fast kills
     
  7. BlackRex

    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,855
    Likes Received:
    1,209
    IGN:
    BlackRex
    perhap if you have hardhit, impact n shield bash, your build can have another role as a breaker and tank as well as support rank.
     
  8. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    Dat's true, I've been looking at 1h/shield and using BD sword >~> But just not enough SP...gotta wait till lvl 85 XD
     
  9. Subject

    Subject Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2015
    Messages:
    356
    Likes Received:
    447
    @Squid , Why did you leave Force Shield at LV5 e.e? It gives moar hp and def at 10, plus you have to make that video soon :>, it made me curious if support actually is useful..
    I heard from unknown sources, incl. yourself that they died under your care <.<.. Once I'm done with my Trickster(knuckle), I'll be ready to form a party ;3
     
  10. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    Lack of SP >~> well...lack of levels to be precise XD....Also I'll help you as you attack ;D the build to support close range attackers huhuhu
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    That's where most people are mis-informed about support builds. They do not eliminate KO's in battle, they extend the time you have before you are KO'ed. Say, a dumb-s like me dies in every battle 15 seconds into it, a supporter may be able to extend that to 25 seconds, allowing me to goof off for another 10 secs before I get KO'ed.

    You never know, maybe future bosses will need supporters to extend everyone's active time so they can last the fight. I doubt if we can continue to Snipe all future bosses down in 30 secs forever.

    Supporters may not have an immediate effect in parties right now, but it doesn't mean we will never have a use for them.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  12. Zenki

    Zenki ゼンキー Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2015
    Messages:
    1,512
    Likes Received:
    1,680
    In a battle roga and squids support I tanked and only took 17 damage:D:D:D:D:D
     
  13. Eduan

    Eduan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2015
    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    48
    Question about warcry, if your weapon is a staff, what will the effect of warcry be? 1h with increased duration or 2h with increased damage? Also you think lvl 10 bless is worth getting? I accidentally leveled my bless to 6 and I'm getting a severe case of OCD o_O
     
  14. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    ._. for this build I don't believe so since we have no int and the heal amount would be small, I was planning to go and get storm so we I could further help increase physical damage :D just a thought though
     
  15. Islandi

    Islandi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2015
    Messages:
    812
    Likes Received:
    558
    IGN:
    Islandi
    Squid, why Storm? Magic Arrows can also achieve the same effect with much less SP invested.
     
  16. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    With no INT and 200 DEX, my bless was healing 37 per tick. It was better than nothing, but not enough when Roga mad-smack you 300, 425 and 300 again. Last night he did 5 of these hits in a row. Bless at its full may heal back one of those hits over time, but we are certainly passed the point that bless is useful, even if you were full INT.

    Hope third tier Priest tree has a good group / area heal to replace Bless.
     
  17. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    Really?!? Then nvm on storm >~>
    Yea, I might invest in bless if that's true, and pray to the asotrolls that they won't give us anymore "1 hit n done" skills
     
  18. Islandi

    Islandi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2015
    Messages:
    812
    Likes Received:
    558
    IGN:
    Islandi
    Yep Squid, main purpose is proration right? As long as you magic attack lands on target, proration is effected.
    What's more Magic Arrow is:
    1. Locked on target
    2. Only 100mp cost
    3. Only 1 SP invested is enough for proration to occur
     
  19. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    Ooooooo then I'm doing fine with resetting pt member's ddom
     
  20. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    2,757
    Bumppp
     

Share This Page