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Dagger or arrow sub? For DT

Discussion in 'Halberd' started by AZYRE月, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. AZYRE月

    AZYRE月 Well-Known Member

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    Pros & cons? @_@
     
  2. Lionhead

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    Arrow because i use smoke dusk in save tag for DT 1mp combo.
     
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  3. cloud777

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    arrow
    sneak atk for hide aggro
    paralyze shot for increase stability
     
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  4. Asatu

    Asatu Well-Known Member

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    Arrow
    Pros:
    For far skill opener (12m for moeba i think), 5mp save, paralyze for stability and other buff from shot skills.
    *pros might increase when tier4 skill release
    Cons:
    High aggro(from smoke dust), reduce def from arrow penalty, very few good stat from arrow, if u want to use all buff from shot skill=reduce good proration

    Dagger
    Pros:
    Many good stat from dagger(anti tumble, 1k hp, extra mp, - aggro, +cdmg, etcetc), no def penalty
    Cons:
    Only 8m range for opener(lose compared to moeba range), no good skill for save(not that important imo)

    Notes: sneak attack is good for save(4mp) and nullify aggro from next offensive skill/normal attack. You dont need to use arrow for this.
     
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  5. AZYRE月

    AZYRE月 Well-Known Member

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    Would u suggest me an arrow? XD
     
  6. ingame778

    ingame778 Well-Known Member

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    Would arrow benefit from lv4 skills? Shadow clone? Nobody knows xdddddd, but above said sneak smoke and para benefits soo

    Aaand dagger passives are underpowered in general, see to your playstyle as usual (bah)
     
  7. Asatu

    Asatu Well-Known Member

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    I suggest u to wait until shot tier4 release.
    For suggestion... Do u usually tank? Or u dont like tanking?(like me)
    If yes, take sneak attack and use dagger(arrow has - 25%def n mdef). Use sneak attack as save tag(can be changed according to party line up and boss pattern).
    If u usually hv tank/some1 tanking lile 2h. Or maybe u dont mind tanking and burning potion, take arrow for smoke dust save tag(5mp).

    Personally, i prefer dagger because the stat from dagger are just too good. Do remember, i havent collect most of good arrows so i dont know if there are good stat from arrow that can benefit non bow/bg user.
    If u take impact, dragon tail can also be save tag(3mp) generally faster than sneak attack and wont generate aggro if u r too far from boss(so the drag tail wont hit boss).

    To be honest, aggro is not a problem. See all t4 main dps skill? Most of them has 5mp usage, u wont be the one taking aggro. And t3 main dps skill has around 3 to 4 mp usage and they r usually spam other physival skill in combo(like archer) so u wont be the one aggroing most of the case..... As long as u dont take warcry lol.
     
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    Asatu Well-Known Member

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    I never use passive dagger skill. Dagger main pros are the stat and... the stat! Lol yeah seems minor compare to arrow but its a matter of choice and playstyle.
    Also sneak attack dont need arrow, para and smoke dust are good, but decreasing the physical proration. I personally dont like ruining my own proration so i prefer dagger.

    How about you? Do u prefer arrow sir?
     
  9. PauPauPau

    PauPauPau Well-Known Member

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    Using dagger and sneak. I got gsw skill so using an arrow with that skill is suicide. I'm waiting for biscuit dagger to become available again though. No tumble on a dagger stat is good.
     
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    Asatu Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you.
    Dont forget biscuit dag has fractional barrier too. Not a bad +
     
  11. Spanish Bread

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    isnt that chocolate knife?
     
  12. ThunderEmperor

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    Man! I hope I read this before I make my HB XD
    I am using arrow now for some reasons.
    -I dont have dagger in my bag. I dont have any nice dagger from event. I only use chimera arrow and candy arrow(for magic resistance). Dont worry about def/mdef penalty.just make sure to make your resistance higher.
    -smoke as save cos Im thinking to add Strike stab but I still dont have it.lmao
    -Para's STABILITY
    Im using DK Amulet for -aggro and I dont spam combo so Im fine.
    No need to worry about no-tumble from dagger stat, you can make no tumble combo with that 5mp save.
    Edited:Candy arrow is useless ignore it
    Edited: Candy arrow's +10% works even without Bow as main. Coryn-club confused me about Bow-only but I tried it and it works.gonna find about its resistance later.
     
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  13. Asatu

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    Oh right, sorry for the mistake
     
  14. PauPauPau

    PauPauPau Well-Known Member

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    Reasons I don't use arrow
    -using smoke as save means another physical skill
    -para gives stability but then another physical skill
    -lower slow chance with moeba
    -def reduction
    But the most important reason is that I cant seem to accept the fact that my character is throwing arrows without using bows
     
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    This. I know someone with same reason.XD
    I have like that too. Having a shield but dont have stun, I hate like it. XD
    About that phy.skill, I do agree with that. Thats the reason why till now I dont have SS and make that 5mp skill my smitted ender.
     
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    AZYRE月 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you all for the suggestions :3
     
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    AZYRE月 Well-Known Member

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    But both of those shot skills only hit once. Spike dart hits 5 times which i don't like cus rip proration(correct me if im wrong)
     
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    AZYRE月 Well-Known Member

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    Nvrmind, it only hits once if its lvl 1....Pardon my noobness XD
     
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    Aggro is based on mp usage, not hit. As mr 13 for further explanation
     
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    AZYRE月 Well-Known Member

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    Wasnt taking about aggro.I was talking abt proration :3
     

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