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Dear Indonesian Players..

Discussion in 'Toram Online Player Feedback / Review' started by -Kazuki-, Aug 7, 2019.

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(For Indonesian player only) Do you think we can change how things are now?

  1. Yes, i have faith

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  2. Yes, but i doubt it

    53.8%
  3. No, i don't think so

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  1. -Kazuki-

    -Kazuki- Well-Known Member

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    Hi, how are you doing? Hope you're doing fine.
    Before you think this is just a hateful comment towards Indonesian Players, just know: i, myself, am a proud Indonesian player as well....





    Well... I used to be.

    "Why", you might ask. Well, i think everyone here knows already why that is. I have a little example here, but first, let me explain to you the context first.

    So, i was just leveling at Venena, trying to cap all my chars(3 chars to go) and got invited to this party. I got in, do a few runs. In my defense, it wasn't the best party i've ever been in, in fact it's just one of the worst party imo. It takes us 8-9 minutes just to finish one run. I managed to get Attacker rank in every run with 7:3 ratio(i did 60%-70% of total damage). I thought to myself that i'm just going to stay in this party since there weren't that many party that are doing Ultimate Mode, and so i did. Until, one of them(WanZ) changed to a level 55 tank. And so i asked, like most of you would probably do at this point:
    "Why did you change to level 55?"
    "Ok i'll change", he said.
    "That's not the answer i'm looking for", i continued.
    He didn't reply. This time, he changed to what seems to be a level 101 Luck Farmer(he used MD). And so i was just shocked. How could anyone do this. I, then, immediately leave the party, then look for another one. And not one minute after i left, this happened:

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    He got really defensive really quickly and just started saying some crazy stuff.

    You know, i used to REALLY love this game, and i mean it, i really do. And now that many toxic Indonesian Players just joined the game, this game isn't as enjoyable as it used to be anymore. One of my biggest reason not to play this game is because all the toxic players.

    Now, i'm asking you, every Indonesian Players in this forum, as a fellow Indonesian Player as well:
    Is this how you want other player to see us? As this toxic monster who just ruins the game for everybody? Does this monstrosity define who we are as a human being? As a player? Don't you feel a little embarrassed? A little disappointed?

    And for those toxic Indonesian Players:
    Are you happy with yourself? What do you gain from doing this? Do you think this is fun for others? Does making other people sad makes you happy?

    You know i always think to myself, is it a blessing to be born as an Indonesian? Or rather a curse? Because almost everyone on the internet hates you, for something that you can't change. Almost everyone thinks that all Indonesian Players are cheater, botter, modder, etc., all the bad stuff that ruins a game.

    Call me a hypocrite or whatever, but i'm still going to say this:

    Indonesia has the most toxic gaming community in the whole world.



    Well, with all of that said and done, i don't know what else to do other than just pray and hope that Indonesia's Gaming Community will get better, especially Toram Online Community.

    Bye folks
     
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  2. JerryRST

    JerryRST Well-Known Member

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    As an indo myself.. I assume most indos wouldn't care about these points you said. They think as if they own the game just because their numbers are so large. A lot of them always talks in indonesian and won't even try to understand simple english. Some of them assumes that everyone is indo and just chats in indonesian without any care. Comments like these are pretty commonly found on Youtube videos of Toram, and even other popular games uploaded by non indonesian channels.

    I used to play and chat a lot with indos, even joined an indonesian guild long ago. But then I realized how things were, and so I decided to leave things behind. Now I only speak english in every game I play.

    We can hope for the better.. Not just the gaming community, but the country and its people too.. But I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon.
     
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    That's why I only speak English in the game
     
  4. -Kazuki-

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    I've never spoken Indonesian in any games unless it's to someone i already trust or knew irl. It's THAT humiliating to be Indonesian on the internet.

    It's the only thing i can do to hide the fact that i'm an Indonesian. Until i know them well, i'll not let them know i'm Indonesian.

    Just don't speak your mother language if you don't want bad rep on your name.
     
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    Indonesian huh...
    Every online game, these people will rule it like there is no other country plays the game, and sadly most of them have some bad mouths, which leads to some toxic words, locally or even internationally, never think enough, and all of that

    Me as an Indonesian pretty much used to these toxicity, the damage has been done, Indos always been and always will be toxic, I don't even have a single hope for it to turn for the better....

    Even then, I'd like to keep out of those toxicity, bad mouths leads to a lot of other bad stuff and well, maybe it's because I played a lot of games as a protagonist, being bad is not my style.

    Welp, at least most of games have the wonderful and magnificent mute/block button so I can at least 'pretend' that I'm in a wonderful and loving community

    Also I tried to hide my identity as an Indonesian (since most of the meets are kinda pain in the a**). But..... I usually use this username so... *Wink**wink*
     
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    I don't think its anything like that. Flaunting it without consideration is.
    This is the same case on Filipinos at Eng server.
     
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    E G P!!!
     
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    Thats nothing, u need to meet brasilians players after that u gona think indos are angels.
     
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    You just asked for a miracle that will never happen
    Im Indo too,and i still remember back then when Indos are still normal and not too much,we generally just play and screw around just like everyone did.
    Then,massive amount of Indos swarmed the game, this is the beginning of the downfall.
    Tuyul,bot,cheat,scams,cancerous, and many more stuff i could rant on.
    I have seen countless local games with great potential ruined by Indogs
    The very moment when Indo user swarmed the game, the fate is sealed.
    Its now a ticking time bomb

    At this time, i've started to hunt down these Indogs using reports since they have explosive temper (much like their ego)
    I don't even want to associate myself with anything to do with Indo because of these crap that happens.
    If you are an Indo that didn't understand English, please use whisper or party chat feature to chat with fellow Indos. We don't need your goddamn "wkwkwkw" or ":v" flooding shout chat where people are selling stuff (unless if it inside Indo server,then its fine).
    Also,know your goddamn place. We are pretty much are a hate sink for entire Toram community when something gone wrong,don't act like Indogs

    For Indo players, i wish you luck in here since community are less likely to be nice to us,considering that majority of bad stuff happens because of Indogs.
     
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  11. -Kazuki-

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    That's just downright depressing. I prefer not to judge people on anything other than their behaviour, even I've been on edge if I know I'm playing with an indo.
     
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    Let's not bring religion into this. I'm a muslim myself and this has nothing to do with how those toxic people act. Let's not make any religion look bad here, okay? Blame the people, not their religion.
     
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    The sheer numbers of players made it like that. But the most problem is because most of them stays in international server even though they were already given their own server. If only we could somehow make them mostly be on their own server... but that's unlikely.
     
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    I think no religion in this world taught their ppl to be rude '-'
     
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    Not all indonesian is muslim
    Some of them look like muslim , but they are buddism and Christian.
    This is a true fact.

    Why ask them do they drink(alcohol).many of them are. Eazy said.period.
     
  17. Silver Sky Star

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    Let's see it this way: don't bully entire Germany for Hitler, don't bully entire USA for Indian massacre and KKK, don't bully entire Catholics for the People's Crusade, don't bully entire Muslims for terrorism
     
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    In Muslim countries, not really.

    Also, that's a rather bold claim. It's more because of Indonesia's state of education itself in general. That and other cultural, economical and political problems that are inherited from the days of the Dutch colonial. If you see the history they actively make it shitty to live as a native, and spread the corrupt nature on the upper echelon. See Malaysia? They're have lots ofMuslims AND, have decent amount of Muslim- oriented laws, yet they have way better reputation than Indos so being a statistically Muslim dominated country doesn't have relation with the toxicity. They're doing fine because Malaysia is a former British colony.

    Basically, it sucks to have the Dutch to occupy the country. The shitty parts are rooted deeply for more than 300 years. Even 70 years is not enough to patch the injuries. Having a huge territory and population also makes it hard to fix the whole situation

    Also, there are a lot less devout, practicing Muslims compared to what the statistics said. You know what the more pious Muslims do? They study the religion, no time for video games, it can even be considered as "mudharat", basically something that is a waste of time and potentially brings more demerits than benefits. The first teaching of Islam and the Quran is to "read", to study, to gain knowledge, to improve yourself, to be wiser and be more humble. To perceive the world as a whole.

    Back to the point of argument, no, a "real-deal" Muslims don't play online video games
     
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    Oof why suddenly bringing religion into this? AFAIK, there is no religion that teaches terrorism. Those terrorists are self-proclaimed moslems. You don't see religions based on its follower, but see on its holy scripture instead.
     
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  20. Jbazt

    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    That what i thought too. My my friend sez the suicide bomber Muslims? They called that the jihad. More like a self sacrifice in one of the verses of the book. This act are also subjected to many relegious critics.the way they dont dont want to get near to pork/blood saying they may smell is are also written in their book being dirty. On their everyday life they based their actions from the book and im thinking muslims will possibly defy human laws but not the spiritual law of quoran. Thats how islam hardcore they are
     
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