[Discussion] Full Int Knuckles+M.Device, the highest DPS class?

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Wow, I never realize that element of MD as sub will be used as actual Magic element attack.
So, We can save the element thingy using sub, then focus on m.atk stat on main hand??

Anyway, if I am not mistaken.
Knuckle also have same m.atk growth I guess.
1 int = 4 m.atk

 

With knuckles, I think 1 int is 4 matk.

Also, @Mugami has a similar build I think?

 

Problem for damage drop off is your party mates might not agree with you especially if you have mage in some random pt, he might just spam all his/her magic skills

 

That's a bit strange. I remember back when forestia first came out, I used the earth elemental knuckle to produce earth magic against it as supposed to relic sword because knuckles gave more matk.

I could be getting old ^^

 

Oh, yeah... Magical Brawler! Had one for a while, until I deleted it in favor of a tank.
Overall, the concept makes sense. Brawlers can stop enemies, then in turn use that time to cast magical attacks, which give off drop off boosting physical hits. Seems fair.
However, in making a magical Brawler, one would have to either side with the magic or the physical aspects, which makes stat-ing them rather difficult (maybe agi-60%, int-40%?)
Also, such magical brawlers exist; they're known as fairy brawlers. I don't know if there are guides about them (mostly because I've never checked), but I would suggest you check. Might be useful for whatever crazy V4 brawler you're working on. XD
Edit: oh yeah, and it's not the element that is on the md that is used when casting magic, it's the knuckles element. I can remember producing earth arrows while having an elfire equipped (golem knuks)

 

This reminds me... @TheShadow will probably have something to say about this too ^^

 

About this kind of build.
I thinks, your main DPS skill should be "magic:impact"
1st because : Knuckle as main have higher quality weapon than MD. Higher weapon attack, higher POT (player crafted) so you can have very good stat like INT4%M.ATK4%.
2nd because : MD as sub is really maximize of impact damage.
Then try smite your impact and you will do insane damage using knuckle as MAIN weapon.

The problem is, I still waiting more extra active skill that suitable for this kind of monk build (INT knuckle)
I really don't like storm, because I think monk is supposed to be cannot casting a high level magic

 

Spells will use main weapons element.
Volc Claws + Irogeon = Fire Wall
Volc claws + vita core = Fire Wall
Jamhadar + elflame = Magic Wall

I just did all these like two weeks ago, bro.

Also I have a breaker mage build.

Calling them all "fairy Brawlers" is kinda insulting. Its like calling all DWs "kiritos" or all tanks, "vit tanks".

Fairy Brawlers ≠ Breaker Mages

 

......huh?



If int/dex; knucks and mds both have +1000 MAtk. However mds also get 400 Atk and 40 Aspd from the same int.
If agi; knucks only have 120Aspd over mds. The rest is the same.
Knicks get their last 100 Atk from dex, while mds get nothing from dex beyond universals.

Optimum MAtk
Knuck = 1000 (int/dex)
Md = 1000 (int/dex)

Optimum Atk
Knuck = 500 (agi/dex)
Md = 800 (int/agi)

Now let's take shop metal wings vs shop jamhadar


Now knuckles with md in secondary is -15% to Atk. So before we do anything else, I'm gonna show you something that makes this clear as day.
30-15%=25.5

So 24 vs 25.5.....woooooo....-_-.....
They are close to even for base potential damage output.
If someone wants to do drill vs vita cores; be my guest.

Now, metal wings do +8 CR vs jam's +40% CR. With no extra crit passives or crit stat:
Metal= 10+8= 18%
Jam = 10*1.4=14%

Stability (math simplified for clarity):
Metal = 70% of 24 = 16.4
Jam = 90% of 25.5 = 22.95

DoT (simplified for clarity):
Metal=(16.4×100)*1.18=1935.2

• 1935.2×800(optimum)=1,548,160

Jam= (25.95×100)*1.14=2958.3

• 2958.3×500(optimum)=1,479,150

I did the number in this way to highlight the difference between the two choices.
That being said, knuckles in main have 100% chance to Inflict, MDs have 50%, and base is 25% for all other weapons.
(accuracy vs mental applies.)
Knuckles have a major advantage at inflicting. Double an md's rate for the same skills. Knuckles also have a spd advantage over mds, higher Eva potential (via mirror shield), higher hp (via shield skills; if shield skills are used), and higher Def/MDef (via shield and it's skills).

Mds, however, have the advantage of higher Atk and damage (when actually equipped), longer range which means they can ampr easier, from a distance, and faster charge (unless knuck uses md in secondary).

Now as to current best crafted:

23+10(half 200 int pot)+1= +34
Base Atk 27
VS

21+20(200 Agi pot)+1= +42
Base Atk 25.5 = (30+(knuck/md -15% atk))

Class Dismissed!

 

Lol stupid mistake on my part. Yes I meant mino.
And yes it's not hard to 305 stuff.

 

I will say one other thing:
I ******* hate triple kick.
As far as dps goes for breaker mage, I tried triple kick in v2. Found it rather pathetic for dps.
In v3, I dropped 15 points from martial skills and replaced with more magic and battle skills.

The result: shellbreak (smited) ended up better against bosses. And def up was better for survivability.
But you and me are in different camps as to what we want our characters to be able to do.
I prefer higher DoT to Dps.

 

1. We are playing with Magic, I know MD as sub have penalty for only for P.atk. But please ignore it. we are using magic as Main DPS here.
2. Again, I thinks we will focus on M.atk based class, so I ignore any P.atk growth.
3. I believed Vita core is higher tier than Jamandhar, as based Pot is not equal. So you can't compare it each other.

 

Sorry, it seems I mistaken using word "we". It's supposed to be only "me", Because I am about to plan to maximize "magic impact" damage.
IMO, knuckle+MD will have better damage than MD as main.

 

@Alleura
1. I really feel like being a sarcastic prick.
B. I will play nice.
III. ('-_-) This will be hard for me.

Now you can pull out vita cores if you want. Idgaf.
That doesn't change how the math works.
Now unless you're playing a vit tank, damage actually matters, so a lower Atk = bad.
Every physical skill and every auto will do less damage. Which means lower DoT and dps. Even if 90% of your damage is from magic, WE are talking about a class that does both. Whether a breaker mage or fairy brawler, neither are pansy brawlers. They don't run up to bosses and slap them and lisping, "oh stop! Just stop, like seriously, you silly monsterface!"

4. This thing really needs more emoticons. I can't give you a deathstare.
5. Since you say 'f Atk lol'; just use catpaws. Makes sense......said no one.....ever.

 

Does this actually work? I'm really interested. I'm reading through all the comments and there's numbers everywhere.
Yes, I am pointing out that I'm stupid.

 

i wonder which one is stronger :
A68drill knuckle + BD xtall
and
A50 ooze player crafted
int4% matk4% NS
and
A35 jamadhar player crafted
int4% matk4% NS(obviously this knuck seems weaker/ less adding to matk)

 

The staff.

Drill have the crit neg.
Those jams are crap.

No offense, bro.

 

Crafted drills....i'd make a pair.
C777s maybe, or A7M7C7 / A7C77

 

What's a good skill build for a knuckle & md brawler? Also is stats full int or a mix of int and agi?