Double Tags on one skill

Crossfire/Goliath Punch seem to work with two tags (combined on attack cast), why do people charge them manually? Was it nerfed?

Charge
Impact>Goliath(Mind's eye)>Finale(Smite)

Attack
Slide>Goliath(Smite)>Finale(Smite)

End Result
Goliath(Mind's eye)(Smite)

 

I'd say its because of limited opener skills. Like from a brawler's perspective using your combo example, impact is automatically given to chariot or rush. ^_^

 

My thought:
1. It's slower. It's 2 combos we're talking about. It would take about 30-40% more time to do two 2-skill-long combos than a single manual cast + one 2-skill-long combo, assuming you only use fast combo openers. Also, the initial cast of those skills you talked about are non-target, so you'll need to have a target for the auto-combo to work, else you'd need to manually cast 2 skills in quick succession.
2. Characters only have 5 combos each, unless you're willing to pay orbs for more. In case you already used 4 for utility or whatever reason, you'll only have 1 combo left.
3. People just either didn't care, or didn't know.

 

My usual combo would be

Reflex > Goliath (Smite) > Impact (Cons)

Floating Kick > Impact (Cons) > Goliath (Bloodsucker)

I'm a semi tank, Chariot is my main skill so Goliath is for heals

 

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1. The combo tags would give benefits that outweigh the extra cast time. Also, CF has a charge time that overlaps with the cast time. As for the last part, why would you use CF outside a battle?
2. That makes sense
3. Very likely. I bet most combos are copied from Youtube or have barely any thought put into it

 

Slow and risky, but it works on your playstyle then there's no question to it.

1. Most do the cf charge before engaging the target during start of the battle, also manual cf charging is being considerate to tanks with mediocre aggro.

3. Some players don't even know how combo tag works. They play comfortably and leave the tubers to give them the meta with regards to combo.

^_^

 

There shouldn't be an issue charging with that combo, and floating kick is basically shukuchi

1. true
3. Yeah, the ambiguity of tag descriptions doesn't really help either

 

There won't be an issue for you with regards to those combo since it works for your playstyle.

Bosses and minibosses aren't created equally and if you've tried soloing every single one of them, you might encounter some that will convince you that those 2 combos are slow, that's why some settles for manual charging. ^_^

 

Another possible reason: prior to the latest tag update, all other tags are just doesn't really have any benefit for this (Consecutive, Save & Tenacity reduces damage; Mind's Eye had zero effect; Swift has little effect since both casts are pretty fast enough already) thus they deemed using 2 combos to give 2 tags for those skills unnecessary. Even after the tag update, many still carry over that thought, despite some of the tag can now give actual, more viable benefit compared to before (Mind's Eye can now guarantee a "hit"; Invincible can give a chance of i-frame during the cast; and Bloodsucker can heal, albeit requires a "hit" and the damage buff doesn't stack with Smite). I have a video on Youtube of me using Magic Gunner to fight Iconos using the 2-tag-CF, but it was because I implemented the 2nd CF into Finale combo since I don't have a 6th combo unlocked.

 

2 tags????
i used to play bow and my CF combo was this:
moeba>cross fire(save)>finale (smite). for cross fire 1mp

and reflex>cross fire(smite). charged cross fire doesnt use mp so no need for finale after

so why my dmg was normal? (1M with a 4th anniv bow +B)

i tested and the dmg with/without the 1mp combo and the dmg was almost the same

 

i just tested here... no, it doesnt get 2 tags
i used this cf combo for test:

impact>cross fire(bloodsucker)> finale(smite) for buff activation

reflex>cross fire(smite)>finale(smite) for release

result: no healing, just dmg

so thats why no one use in combo: bow and knuck have lots of spare mp! you dont need to use combos, its better to use it fast so you can get more dps!

i didnt test the minds eye, but there is no reason, if you are a dps user you have full crit, crit always hit the target, unless it evades, but minds eye do nothing to evasion!
there isnt a tag that its worth the combo time.

 

Did you tested recently? With enough stability and no graze and all? Because I've been testing for a while and the damage modifier has been working normally here. Tags with damage modifier stacked with each other (except same tag, and Bloodsucker + Smite).
I think you either just used your own gut to guess, or it was some testing from ages ago.

Bro, there's this one thing you gotta know about this: only the damage modifier is carried over to the attack cast, and nothing else. You put bloodsucker on the buff cast so ofc there'll be no healing.
And mind's eye can have its use against crit resist bosses in case your crit is not enough to nullify the resist, or when you don't have full crit yet. Those are the only scenarios, though.

 

damage wise
cf(manual) + cf(smite) > cf(save) + cf(smite)

the right sequence if want double tag results is as follows:

impact>cf(smite)>finale(smite) for buff activation

reflex>cg(bloodsucker)>finale(smite) for release

result: dmg + healing

Though, I agree on the manual charge casting its more faster and efficient that way.

^_^

 

Actually, Save reduces the damage and Bloodsucker needs to be on the attack cast for heals. Knuckles also definitely do not have lots of spare mp