Dps whitout impact skill???

110%
150%(you can change dive to sneak attack) can we make dps whitout impact(for combo filler/cut half mp skill with smith/short combo) and save 22 skill point?

what do you think guys?

 

I have sword dps without impact....
well just look at my sig and those without magic skill is the ones without impact

And if you use save and consecutive (with smite) wisely, you don't really need impact

 

what short combo u use?

 

I see 7 physical_skills in just one combo.

 

hard hit-trigger slash (3mp if it's less than lv6) (save)-astute (2mp for 2h 1mp for 1h) (smite)-warcry (smite for 1h, quick-thingy for 2h)
^1mp combo
(That's just one of old combo.... I used sword fu combo tho.. used that combo as well)

 

I used to do all physical skills with sword fu x.x

 

its destroy protation? XD

 

It makes you more to breaker than attacker.

 

The 'breaker' of party (physically), the buffer of finale

 

1. Where u wanna spent ur 22 sp if u not taking impact?
2. What's the benefit of placing 22 sp on that skill?
3. You don't need to ask questions u already knows the answer.
4. A spammer "not always" destroy proration.

 

Ofc, in pt of 3 finale, he is messiah.

 

Just use
Any 1mp - smoke save - filler - filler - filler - dragon tooth the mighty smite - literally anything with less than 7mp
1mp (range is better) = moeba, reflex, gsw, flashstab, holy fisting etc.
Filler = quick aura, reflex, meikyo, kairiki ranshin, warcry, javelin, bless, etc (changed depend on situation)

 

The crazy things you can do with impact:
1. 2mp 100 percent Strike stab, 90 percent Dive impact, 130 percent Dragon tooth
strike stab > Arm break (save) > Dive impact (smite) > Impact (con) > Dragon tooth (smite) > War cry (con)

2. 2mp 100 percent Dive impact, 90 percent Dragon tooth, 130 percent Strike stab
Dive impact > Arm Break (save) > Dragon tooth (smite) > War cry (con) > Strike stab (smite) > Impact (con)

3. 1mp buff, long range dragon tooth
Reflex > Warcry (save) > Godspeed wield (con) > Quick aura (swift) > impact (con) > Dragon tooth (smite) > sneak (con)

4. 1mp spam, 100 percent Strike stab, 90 percent Dragon tooth.
Strike stab > arm break (save) > Dragon tooth (smite) > impact (swift)

five. five mp short, hundred-and-fifty percent Dragon tooth, 90 percent Strike stab
impact > Dragon tooth (smite) > Dive impact (save) > Strike stab (smite)

You can replace dive impact with snipe, I recommend the former cuz it's only an additional five SP. Dive impact is often forgotten in favor of Strike stab but it can still deal a buttload of damage. Both snipe and Dive impact can inflict status ailments, helps with your strike stab damage.

 

That is also false
This is from @Norcelia 's bow build thread:
Smite: increase dmg by 50% and lessens following skill by 50% if there is no following skill it will cost the double MP.
Swift: Makes Animation speed faster
Tenacity: Uses HP instead of MP if there is no MP left. The higher the Hp cost is the less dmg it will do.
Mind's Eye: Skill doesn't activate if the monster has a resistance against it's inflict.
Consecutive: Decreases Skill MP usage the further it in the combo is.
But it decreases the dmg too.
Expl. Opener>skill(cons) -100MP used, -10% dmg >skill(cons)-200MP used, -20% dmg> skill(cons) -300MP, -30%dmg>...
Save: The Skill "saves" (put on a bank) the MP it would use for the following skills. If the saved MP is not fully used up after the last skill in the combo, it will get used up if MP is left.
Save tag also decreases the dmg of the following skills.
Expl. Opener>400MP skill (save) (400MP on the bank), -80% dmg> 100MP skill (-100MP on bank->300MP left), -60% dmg>200MP skill (-200MP on bank->100MP left), -40%dmg>100MP skill (-100MP on bank->0MP left)
*this combo example would only use the Opener's MP

 

Fixed

 

Huh? Now I'm confused... owo
How does the math of Save vs Smite works anyway, are the Additive or Multiplicative?
If its additive shouldn't it be:
1. 2mp 100 percent Strike stab, 70 (-80% Save +50% Smite) percent Dive impact, 110 (-40% Save +50% Smite) percent Dragon tooth?
While multiplicative it will be:
1. 2mp 100 percent Strike stab, 30 (-80% Save +50% Smite) percent Dive impact, 90 (-40% Save +50% Smite) percent Dragon tooth?

Toram math so confusing...

 

Maybe I calculated wrong but I'm not so sure.... (Celia was so good at this T^T I miss her TAT)

 

its additive.
opener - save (-80%) - skill1 (-60%) - skill2 (-40%) - skill3 (-20%) - skill4 (-0%)
if use smite in skill 4 (become [-0%+50%] +50% to skill = 150%skill dmg)
if use smite in skill 3 (become [-20%+50%] +30% to skill = 130%skill dmg)
if use smite in skill 2 (become [-40%+50%] +10% to skill = 110%skill dmg)
if use smite in skill 1 (become [-60%+50%] -10% to skill = 90%skill dmg)
if use on save tag skill (become [-80%+50%] -30% to skill = 70%skill dmg)
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wait wait, how the hell you can use 2 tags?

 

It's additive, and the math is like this:

Strike stab (100 percent) > Arm break (save) (100 - 80 = 20) > Dive impact (smite) (100 - sixty + fifty = 90 percent) > Impact (con) > Dragon tooth (smite) (100 - 20 + fifty = 130) > War cry (con)

 

Oh hmm so subtract 20 first from 100 and add 50 percent....but is that 50 the fifty percent from original skill dmg or 50% of current combo skill dmg after being added?