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economy inflation?

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Lyse Hext, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. gabie

    gabie Well-Known Member

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    i am pretty sure that u dnt even read my first post:)
     
  2. screamingfox

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    That's quite the assumption to make. Why would players that have likely already bought spina need to worry about an economy that's decreasing? It makes their "inflated" spina proportionally more valuable the more the economy tries to stabalize itself. And doesn't change how much they would have to buy proportionally from a seller as the rate would have to adjust accordingly. About the only people I see taking a hit if it does reduce economic earnings are the sellers. Assuming there aren't a crap ton of dummy account "banks".

    But okay then.

    No. Because you'd still need to advertise that Iconos being sold for 20m. Convince other players that it's worth 20m. Convince them that the purchase of an item for 566% of the original price isn't braindead. And myriad of other mental gymnastics to make the PLAYERBASE think it's a good idea.
     
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  3. screamingfox

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    Are you talking about it's release during the first week, on sn upgrade that requires the xtal to be strengthened? iirc it was also one of the best all-rounder armors in the game. Could be wrong though. .-.
     
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    I don't think people need to worry too much about the metal stinger quest causing too much inflation. Yes, I get the part that when spina is easier to get, the prices of other items rises because less people are farming those and more people are farming metal stinger, supply and demand logic, but this is only in the short-run, in the LONG RUN, if the prices of other NECESSARY items like healing potions, refine metal ores, xtals, other mats etc. rises too much, people who wants to earn more spina and not exp will go back to farming those things again since they're more profitable, so everything will balance out in the end.

    I studied economics for 2 semesters at my uni, and I think with the advent of the profitability of the metal stinger quest the devs applied something similar to Keynesian theory of economics to Toram, which I think will revitalize the economy. More players now had more spina to spend, which increases demand, decreases supply of some items in the short run, sellers of said items noticed that the items they're selling keeps getting profitable and sells fast, and they get richer, which will drive them to farm(or make) even more of said items, if it keeps getting sold quickly and they keep getting richer, they will then recommend it(or brag about it) to their friends, which will drive those friends to also do what he is doing to make more spina, which will increase the supply of those items.......So in the end, I think everything will balance out in the short-run, no one will get hurt from this quest imo
     
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  5. gabie

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    post ultimi-upgrade, on my view economy started to fall after this, players was like "hey, if they ar selling a 4m xtal for 600m why i cant do it for everything?"
    after that everything was like
    raton 80m>400m
    ganei 14m>50m etc..
    every time that any cheap/useless item in iruna got a new function the prices just rise like 9000%
    how about orichalcum stks that a fake news maked the price rise from 5-7m > 50-60m per stk?
     
  6. screamingfox

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    Trying to figure out how that happens unless there was already, billions of spina in the market in the market already. If there was that much soina and a gentlemen's agreement of "sell reasonably" was there. Then i'm impressed, but not at all surprised by the outcome.

    I just can't see prices sky rocket like that unless the spina flow recently surged or if the playerbase already had oodles of spina pocketed. I wasn't there though, so i'll just take what your giving me.
     
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  7. gabie

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    when this happened a lot of players already was in their 4b+ spina but the prices was still the same, but after that everything just falled down
    u know that now some ppl use XTAL STACKS as currency rit? like sauro II xtal stks (each sauro II costs about 800m ea)
    i think that unless toram players start to be iruna-like greedy nothing ill change
     
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  8. AliceYvne

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    Economy down or not..not sure cause I didn’t have knowledge on economy. Just want to talk about “Why people think the quest that need kill 100 Metal Sting to get 300K will have impact on toram economy trend”....I don’t think that 300k can have any impact on Toram economy. If you say BOT, mod or whatever cheat thing, mean they have to train multiple level 150 characters with suitable equipment to farm MS. Hmm....that gonna need a huge investment first, and need to consider the risk to get BAN before the profit return.
     
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  9. gabie

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    3k per kill, needs to report in town and keep walking on the map to find ms... bruh
     
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    Pro party can kill 100 ms for less than 10 minutes. Each time you change map, new ms respawn and with 4 man party it only took 25 ms each member. It's still far the best spina generating method available right now, so inflation kinda understandable.

    But didn't we all deal with this kind of farming method shifting a few times already? From NC --> Anti-Degra --> Minibosses --> and now ms quest. The difference between then and now was, instead of getting mats and sell it for spina, we get pure spina. With less people wont farming mats, supply for mats will reduce while demand still the same, it does looks like prices goes up, but actually the supply goes down.
     
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    not only the mats price goes up bcs of low supply, but spinas worth is decreasing bcs of the amount of spinas circulating is increased.
     
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    It’s possible to tank more then 4 mini bosses at once. All you need is to grab agro, have the person who initiated it to go to the guild bar then come back and agro another. It’s a popular technique on Odelon machina for xtal farming. Could be you missed the other party members or their mass aoe attacks to kill them due to game lag.
     
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    xD i know the trick to lure more than 4 but for that one i can make sure he's alone. Hes also in int 3 and that server is popular for modder using their mod. He's also using mod with basic combo with infinite maximizer and finale. Doesnt move at all and the minibosses dies within sec and it just spawn lots the next second. It takes time to lure that much using the gb trick. If u were there u will realize its mod the time u see him xD
     
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    Couldn't have said it better
     
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    Before rollback xtals were worth more than they are now, ornlarf 4 million, gwaimol 3,5m, guignol 2-3m etc and after the roll back and asobimos kind compensation that's when the market became destabilized as there was an influx and over saturation of xtals due to everyone buying their drop gem packages with the free 200 orbs and then of course the modding invasion further decreasing xtals values and if we look closer this affected one of asobimos biggest revenue sources, the drop gem packages in the orb shop. People stopped buying them because it's just not worth 30 orbs when all xtals became worth +-1m, it's not very profitable to sell gem runs anymore especially if u paid 30 orbs for one which was extremly popular and worth buying when xtals were worth more spina before the roll back when the market was actually a little more stable and not completely over saturated by supply.

    So perhaps there will be inflation but it's good inflation and also if some xtals do become expensive, xtals that are actually worth using then there's incentive to farm xtals again ( that's used to be a thing, farming xtals )and also people will be buying their drop gem package in orb shop for such xtals. Asobimo is a business and for a business to survive and continue and keep spending money on a game and releasing new contents they need to make spina, I mean real money, I play too much toram >_<
    After the roll back financially they took a big loss i presume from giving everyone 200 orbs and we should all be grateful they were kind enough to compensate so high despite the implications caused on them financially.
    Everyone just got used the game and all the cheap prices, people like it easy and dont remember before roll back to get an xtal like ornlarf required grinding and farming and saving, xtals aren't supposed to be easy to get, they supposed to be rare. And also most people are still going to level the conventional method after level 120 or so because it's faster and this will keep xtals slowly flowing into the market, the bosses that aren't leveled at all, and say there xtals does become for example 50m spina due to rarity well either the xtals going to be outdated and useless or there's a new spina farming spot, just requires effort, not laziness.

    This quest can't be botted, metal stingers are spread out, there are also other mobs in the area, if people are going to be so lazy to the extent of botting this well it's going to probably take 50 times longer to complete a quest than just joining a party and farming it due to the reasons mentioned above, so good luck to them.

    And lastly this new quest is to keep new players invested into their game and not quit after a week because they have nightmares of minotaur every night, the bots made farming spots for newbs not very profitable, farm mino for an hour and get maybe two stacks, 250k or so and drive yourself mental in the process of doing that boss over and over, feel demoralised because one can't make spina to buy the op equip they dream of unless they be minos slave for one month, most people will get over the game and leave.
    So the implementation of this new quest is positive imo, especially for the new players, and it's also fun, metal stringer has always been a fun mini boss to test out builds, so having fun, getting xp and making some spina in the process is a win for everybody, the only people losing are the people that want it easy, want xtals to be cheap because then they don't need farm as much, even if that means throwing the new player base under the bus because all the cheap prices are a direct result of bots and modders, so you indirectly supporting that type of trash and new players coming into the game don't kill the game we all love, they grow it, but the modders and bots can, the ones that make everything cheap and easy to to get.

    Anyway that's my take on it, I guess everyone forgot about xtal prices before the roll back, a more stable market.
     
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  17. Yunan

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    Right, I think its the reason why the Baldy P even introduced the update, Prices were so low from the impact of the rollback and the compensation. They dont earn as much from the orb items due to orbs being the compensation item which affects their revenue. They likely thought that its a pain to manage the skeleton bots when they actually could all this time. The rollback push them to the edge to finally do something. Not that I'm mad since it could be for better good.

    They should introduce a spina quest that adjusts the reward relative to the amount of spina circulated within the market using a algorithm. Remove all mean of static value to spina influx such as fixed price npc selliing. Detach the spina quest from exp since its an unnecessary redundancy with a better exp system that is the level range system. Give a mean for newbies to enjoy the game enough to continue playing as screamingfox had said.
     
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    Well, there!!
    Happy now whiners?
     
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    I’m happy it was nerfed, was too good
     

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