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Evasion Halberd(?)

Discussion in 'Halberd' started by MAER, Mar 29, 2018.

  1. MAER

    MAER Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's a question mark.
    I got no resource to test if its a viable build so I ended up here to discuss of someone would test it.

    The reason I asking this is because of one of level 4 skills: Godspeed Wield.
    Not sure if I got the numbers right, but with some casual 20 skill points, halberd can reach above 50% evasion rate:
    Base evasion(10%) + Light armor bonus(10%) + Light Armor Mastery(10%) + Advanced Evasion(10%) + Godspeed Wield(30%) = 70%

    Is 70% evasion (not including flee) even good? Does evasion evade magic? Is there equips or skills that could raise this rate even more to... 90% or 100%?
    Is it possible to build a halberd that focus not on burst damage and make an auto attack instead?

    What would you say?
     
  2. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    You could also get reflex to get your evasion rate up to 100%, though the only problem with that would be that the evasion rate cap is 75%, which means you'd only be getting 5% more evasion instead of 30%. If you want to focus on auto attacks then you should get chronos drive, but I think burst damage would be a lot better.
     
  3. MAER

    MAER Well-Known Member

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    There is evasion cap? now I am sad...
    About auto attacks though, I was under the impression that with Quick Aura and Godspeed Wield alone we could reach 2000 attack speed, which means thats 1000 turned to motion speed. Combined with Godspeed Wield's 30% motion speed, wouldn't we attack in a speed never seen before? (Not to mention we can still add in Berserk)

    As for Chronos Drive... how long is the buffs? is it based on duration or just linited to few number of hits?
     
  4. TheXIIIthGuy

    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    Base evasion is always 0%.
    No. Not only that, some physical and fractional attacks cannot be evaded (usually they are AoE).
    It is possible, but it will heavily gimp your build. Reasons are:
    - Auto attacking route isn't really viable for DPS, as there aren't many ways for Halberd to increase their damage significantly (currently the only ways are Rampage, Berserk and Shukuchi; possibly Godspeed and Flash Blast if you rely on Unsheathe autos with Shukuchi and Evasion).
    - Godspeed Wield will put a heavy burden on you: you can't get hit, and if you get hit by anything that isn't a fractional, you'll take 238% more damage.
    - You will have to prorate to make your autos hit hard enough. And seeing as your only options of proration are physical and most classes in the game deal physical damage, they will hate you.
    It's indeed possible, but from my testing Motion Speed feels gimmicky even on high levels. Sure you could argue you deal damage faster, but a structured combo will do the job just as well. (Puts on flame shield against oncoming Motion Speed defenders). It's really all about skill and playing your cards right, if you get what I mean.
    And don't even think about adding Berserk. The Stability reduction and the low duration are too big of a cost for non-sword classes.
    It's duration based. It's not really good though, as this auto attack buff scales with INT and TEC.
     
  5. MAER

    MAER Well-Known Member

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    RIP my dreams ._.
    How about I become a 'prorate' support with Godspeed Wield + Quick Aura? Wouldn't my party loves me if I attacks so fast the prorates for physical and magic skills keep capped on 250%?
     
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    Azin. Brawler Enthusiast Elite Member

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    still hoping that suzuki sama will change godspeed wields penalty.. 238% negatve resistance is such a pain.. i wanna be like sanec ;~;
     
  7. TheXIIIthGuy

    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    It's 457% more damage for your Brawler (because -210% Resistance instead of -150%). Yeah, SuzukiP and his dev crew really made sure anyone that wasn't a Halberd and used this skill had paper thin defenses.
     
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    if you want to be a prorate helper,
    try Dual Sword with 255 MTL, (75% anti ailment)
    you can equip gas mask (15%) or mushroom cap (20%)
    with those 90% ailment resistance (100%++ if you equip mosto armor/lil demon garb/medic coat) , you won't get knoc flinch etc, and the rampage won't canceled either (berserk prevent rampage got canceled to, but you still knock/flinch etc etc)

    why dual sword? even without adding agi, you still can reach 3k aspd
    so you'll be a prorate helper
     
  9. Komibii

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    What? Why, of all stats, would they choose those two? It would be a lot better if they chose AGI for scaling.
    That idea sounds a bit more impractical than it needs to be. Astute> berserk (save)> rampage (swift)> war cry (consecutive) with a 1h+any subweapon and a bunch of points spent on DEX or STR would work a lot better, even if they do get interrupted by flinch/tumble/stun/knockback every once in a while.
     
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    What? Why, of all stats, would they choose those two? It would be a lot better if they chose AGI for scaling.
    That idea sounds a bit more impractical than it needs to be. Astute> berserk (save)> rampage (swift)> war cry (consecutive) with a 1h+any subweapon, =<1.1k ASPD, and a bunch of points spent on DEX or STR would work a lot better, even if they do get interrupted by flinch/tumble/stun/knockback every once in a while.
     
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    yeah you're right, after berserk appear, those mtl to prevent rampage canceled might better to be added to other stat
     
  12. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    If you want to be able to do damage, then yeah.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    They were like, "Cmon guys! We need to screw up at least 1 skill, cant just keep every skill useful and balanced! Our audience will think they are playing some different game."
    And sadly they chose chronos as their target.
     
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    even a halberd would have a hardtime with negative resistance ffs.. damn suzuki sama make ur shit together make it nega def and ill take it
     
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    bloodytolits Hiatus. Playing Ragnarok M Elite Member

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    For production classes lel.

    Only adds about 1k with full tec.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Oh wow, that's really op. I guess I was wrong to judge Asobimo's choices to soon.
     
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