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EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT SNEAK ATTACK.

Discussion in 'Hunter' started by mayam, Oct 21, 2017.

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  1. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT SNEAK ATTACK:-

    Everything here is tested and confirmed 100% to be true unless if stated otherwise

    --It is a support skill in the lower branch of shot skills.

    --It costs 2mp with bow and bowgun while 4mp for other weapons.

    --It generates counters on the target enemy equal to its lvl.
    Example at lvl10 it generates 10 counters on the enemy.

    --For each counter you will not generate any aggro on the target from the attacks you do directly after sneak.
    Example at lvl10 with 10 counters the next 10 attacks immediately after sneak will not generate any aggro on the target.
    If you use sneak again while all counters are not consumed they will be replenished back.
    Example You use sneak lvl10 and then use auto attack 5times and use sneak again the 10counters will be replenished and you can do another 10 aggroless attacks.

    --The attack needs to be registered on the enemy so misses and evasions do NOT consume any counters. This also includes skills like impact which can be used from a long range without hitting the target. Example using sneak lvl10 and then impact 10times without actually hitting the enemy will not consume any counters.

    --By attacks I mean any type of attacking skills and auto attacks that require a target and are not classified as support skills. Skills like shadowstep and provoke that do not do any damage are still classified as attacking skills as they require a target so they will consume sneak as well.

    --Best way to use sneak would be as a seperate skill before using a long combo or in the combo but as an opener or near the opener instead of near the ender. Be careful not to use too many auto attacks directly after casting sneak or else they will consume all sneak counters. For the sake of comparision. A 1mp skill is 100aggro while 1auto attack is 10aggro so using a 1mp skill 10times will consume all counters and save you from 1000aggro while using auto attacks 10times will also consume all counters but only save you from 100aggro thats 90% wasted sneak.

    --Support skills will NOT consume sneak counters, they will just bypass them altogether and generate aggro as they are supposed to. Sneak itself is categorized as a support skill so sneak will bypass itself as well. Multiple sneak casting will NOT help you reduce aggro.
    Example If you use sneak lvl10 with bow or bowgun equipped and then use reflex 10times after and followed by moeba shot 10times then you would generate 1200 aggro from reflexes and sneak but the moebas will not generate any aggro as the counters were bypassed by reflex and not consumed until the end.
    The easiest way to tell if a skill is support or not is by trying to use the skill in a town map like sofya if you are able to use the skill without a target it is a support skill. Except for the new skill decoy shooter which is somehow a support skill that requires a target to place a decoy.

    --0mp skills do not generate aggro BUT they can still consume sneak counters.
    Example sneak lvl10 and then throwing knife lvl10 10times will consume all your sneak counters.
    Skills like quick aura/Mp charge(0mp support) do not generate aggro and bypass (will not consume) sneak counters too.

    NEW:-
    --It seems they finally fixed sneak now. No longer does it need a registered enemy to cancel aggro. Even if you use the skill out side of combo without targetting any enemy you can still use sneak counters and hide aggro from your attacks.
    Example:- Using sneak during a boss fight without targetting (auto attacking once) the boss will still activate the counters. Earlier you would not generate aggro on your next attacks as it wasnt applied on the boss. But now as it is fixed it is possible to use sneak without targetting or generating aggro of sneak on them yet activating them
    Because of this fix:
    FIRST SNEAK CAST AGGRO CANCEL
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    Since sneak now no longer needs a target to generate aggro so if you use sneak before attacking the boss it is possible to cancel the aggro generation on that first cast.

    --Sneak will also cancel the aggro generated on the mobs and minions of the bosses if you hit them with aoe skills (like storm/tempest) while targetting the boss. Every hit on a mob will consume a sneak counter tho of course if its in an open map and you hit them for the first time it will still generate 200 base aggro.

    Thats... everything you need to know about sneak attack might make on another complex skill later on. Let me know a topic on which I can make another thread.

    Btw I am working on "The chickeny guide to offense the counterpart of my defense guide" with one of my good friends and teacher who is interested in that?
     
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  2. Azin.

    Azin. Brawler Enthusiast Elite Member

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    what if u use sneak as a mage and did cast storm on the enemy does the every tick of storm will consume the counter aggro buff from sneak???
     
  3. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Could I use Sneak Attack to get the support rank in a boss?
     
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    nope cuz its a self buff not a pt buff :)
     
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    If u use sneak 2x, it become normal. If u use sneak 3x then u have 10counter?

    Another 1, if u atk 1st then u use sneak. Will it generate 200aggro? Then give 10counter? If so, the boss goes to u?
     
  6. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Theres no skill that generates aggro twice in 1cast.
    It will only reduce 1 counter.

    I dont know what you mean by 2x or 3x.
    You need to only use it once at lvl10 to have 10counters. Using 2x or 3x will keep giving you new 10counters (they dont stack) but you will also keep generating aggro from the mp cost of sneak itself.
    It will generate 200aggro base + 10(from auto attack) + the aggro of sneak (equal to its mp cost) so yea boss will attack you.
    So its better to let someone else aggro first before manual casting sneak.
     
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    Nope

     
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  8. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    So it's more of a self-buff skill rather than a support skill, I guess.
     
  9. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    To all people voting for "hidden effects of skills" there really isnt much that I havent already posted or shown in the past lol. If anything it can be a showcase of a few underrated skills and stuff that is already known.

    I should mention support skills as the skills that can be used without a target the system classifies them as "IsSupport" it has nothing to do with the rank. I didnt call them buffs coz buffs are effects gained from a skill can be from an attacking skill as well.
     
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  10. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Ok, that makes sense now.
     
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    thanks to u legends :) just askin hehehe
     
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    senpai :)
     
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    i see. now i know how it work cuz i plan on reseting it cuz it doesnt have much function on my cuz i use 4mp combo. So the counter doesnt care how much aggro it take? like the dust is 500aggro and still count as 1 counter?

    and is it bad to spam warcry? like in combo(save)?
     
  15. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Yep 1 attack = 1 counter consumed. Doesnt matter how much aggro it has.
    Spamming war cry really depends on your party and the boss you fight cant say it is generally bad for all situations. But yeah it is support as well so it will bypass sneak counters.
     
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    aww this thread is really helpfull... thanks:D
     
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    I got one question... What about War Cry? In my Combo I use Sneak and then War Cry afterwards but no matter what.. it seems i always draw the aggro from bosses... Could it be that War Cry nullifies the Sneak Counters? o.o
     
  19. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    It doesnt nullify them but just bypasses them as it is a support skill. So having sneak and war cry in one combo means you are still generating 500aggro per combo.
    Tell me your full combo and also tell me if you are using lots of auto attack after every combo coz that consumes sneak very quickly.
     
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    great read..if just the animation is faster , I could use it.
     

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