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Felien Sword VS FC17 Sword

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Arkar006, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Arkar006

    Arkar006 Well-Known Member

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    This had to be made.
    Which one with right build can deal better damage?
    Is it worth stability lose since Proto Clarity Rose have 60% only? Having on mind DW.
    Also does high weapon atk compensate the lose of 17cdmg and 7%cdmg stat?
     
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    Depends on boss's defense :rolleyes:
     
  3. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    I made a lengthy calculation for the sword I currently hold and a 300 weap atk proto clarity.

    My sword is Crit1616%Cdmg16Atk7% 3rd anniv having 218+S
    I considered if I got 300 atk proto and can +S it as well

    I wont go to much detail but what I concluded is that the proto clarity still loses to 3rd anniv if the boss def is only like 100 or less which is very rare. However any decent 200+ def boss and every single boss on hard mode and + it wins out.

    I use berserk in my build which I can skip now because the sword gives the crit rate that I got from berserk. I will lose the extra aspd however.
    Also berserk gives -25% stability so in fact I am gaining stability as the sword is only -20% from anniv so stability drop is not an issue for me like at all.
    If you are not a berserk user that stability drop might be an issue for you.
    Also I have not considered a higher weapon atk sword like lil empress one, that one might have different calculation and bigger difference.

    I say go for it and replace it if you like to solo or regular nm bosses regularly, if you like to just stick to regular mini boss farming then only replace your 2S +S swords if you can 2S +S it as well. It really wont beat a 2S +S while being a +B NS or +A 1S
     
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    Try it on lalvada ultim u will notice difference :D
     
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    So, if I can afford prime piercer and refine S+ by myself, also mostly fighting high diff bosses such Venena nm, I should go into Proto?
    *I'm not berserk user, also my actual sword is 243+S fc17.
    Proto still wins in this situation?
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    If you are fighting nm bosses and have decent stability% from your equips then 80% is good enough. Having 100% stab is not that meaningful as it will be dragged down by graze anyway.

    With 243+S already your proto wont be as good for low def bosses, even on 200 ish def bosses you will do less with proto but as you said you farm venena nm, for that it is definitely better. Venena however if not broken doesnt have any flee so you will not graze there so stab drop might be visible.

    I cant really decide it for you since in the end you are the one that has to spend the spina. I can only hope that you make a better choice for yourself.
     
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    So how about using proto +S for subhand DW?
     
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    Arkar006 Well-Known Member

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    Stab of both swords summed is divided by 2, so best weapon atk at cost of stability. Of course element ones are better, but if boss is neutral, this should be a good pick. I might be wrong though.
     
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    TBH i only find the DW skill tree lvl 4 weakness on high defense bosses, but seeing this 1H, now they can rekt high def bosses like iconos and maton, and rekt most of nm and ulti boss too.
    I find Felien Sword a BIG BLESSING for 1H and DW users out there (so hard to ignore that 70% p.pierce:D)
     
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    I agree, 140crit on main hand means you can stat your armor and use other non-crit rate equipment too. Like, for example, aspd or HP (my full snowman costume muahahahahaahah). With 16k hp, together with a sanctuary tank, you are invincible at mini bosses!!!
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Very bad. You will end up losing more damage than building, sub ATK total will increase but sub Stab will take a massive 10% drop. Even maton sword +S gives more than proto +S
     
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    Is the added phys pierce that good?, you still need 35 crit(if you using fc17arm) and you dont have the cd damage a lil emp a7cccd17 would have.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Its 70% pierce, thats a real big deal. It has base atk high enough to negate the atk7% from lil emp. Depending on the boss def it can easily give more boost than 17 cdmg, it all really depends on what bosses you fight regularly. Try looking at our def table, multiply the def stat noted there with 0.7 and you will get an equivalent base ATK boost equal to that value.

    Also Idk where you got 35 crit from but if you have a fc17 armor and this sword with no CRT personal you will already have 83% critical chance. Only need 17 more, where as if you use lil emp you would need 30 more to get 100% chance.
     
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    I forgot the other 17
     
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    This sword would work for 1h/md very well
     
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    Sword is great for any 1h dps build
     
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    So, u can also switch ur hat for shaved. And it be enought crit. I think that statin armor with crit rate n aspd good aswel
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    I suggest rather adding 17 CRT stat instead.
    17 CRT = +5 base critical
    17 CRT, critical up lvl10 and fc17 armor gives 103 total critical chance with sword.
    14 CRT, critical up lvl10 and fc17 armor gives 99 total critical chance with sword.
    17 stat points are not as much damage loss as removing 10% stability add gear for shaved ice.
     
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    Ok, you are right. Agree with u. I think there will be new guide with it
     
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    So. I think it ll be cool to have another type of armor
     

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