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Gemini: Zephyr | Cap 115 (Unique Dual Wielding approach | Stat choice, Skill build and Equipments.)

Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by メScye, Jan 22, 2017.

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  1. メScye

    メScye Well-Known Member

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    Hello guys, It's me Szchev.

    I just wanna say something first, This build is optimized for farming area boss so the true potential can be experienced against area bosses only. (Can do decent in party boss runs but is a mediocre build in solo mode and this build is not a damage oriented build so do not expect high numbers / "burst-y.")

    I noticed something early january, while testing new builds that can do decent DPS -wise even if I'm not really built to do big damage, I used Tempest that night.

    Setting up combos, trial and error, figuring out how to optimize balanced quickness, consistency and damage output all in one combo and I figured out that, Tempest functions like Spinning slash but in a greater state. What I'm saying is, tempest can cancel auto attacks too! And it can cancel even if you still have auto attack interval, and It can provide higher chance of 3 auto attack cancels for a total of 4. "Proof."

    Here is the video of me showing my Gemini: Zephyr build.




    In my personal choices, These skills are my top priorities once I farmed all my skill points from emblems:

    1st: Trigger Slash 1 > 10
    2nd: Attack up 5 > 10
    3rd: Whack 5 > 10
    4th: Sword Mastery 5 > 10


    (Basically boosting my core damage passively a little bit harder.)

    Other possible optional skills:

    1st: Twin slash 0 > 10
    2nd: Short rest 0 > 5 > Sober Analysis 0 > 10
    3rd: Warcry 0 > 10


    (I will give updates regading this build in the future since I'm new on building this kind of DW approach.)
     
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  2. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    Nice xstal drop:p and kills faster than some fus:p
     
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  3. メScye

    メScye Well-Known Member

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    Yes, That's a floating 2m right there ;) I'm just lucky lately. And thank you for noticing how I quickly killed MS as a DW. Appreciated :)
     
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    Amazing! Even without element weapon, dmg went off the roof! Just a question tho. Why not add p.slash skill?
     
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  6. Alzarith

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    Phantom slash animation is slow, and looking at his build, it looks like he is using tempest as his main dps (Obviously).

    It really just isn't needed for this particular build, it doesn't fit.
     
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  7. TheXIIIthGuy

    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    Sorry if I sound too rude, but you see it this way because you only see the skill as a slow DPS move. It also has an useful defensive ability. His build is even more suited to use it than mine in fact, as his AMPR can sustain high cost MP combos with ease.

    That's the power of 2s items for ya! (I will admit that I am jealous :oops:)

    But I'm not berating the build in any way. It's a good build with heavy AMPR sustain and damage. Any DW has to at least respect that, especially a low-class DW like me.
     
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  8. Alzarith

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    Not getting into another argument with you, not worth the time
     
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    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    For the last part, memory and stress; my bad.
    For the former, Shadowstep may make it seem that it is enough, but it isn't really. Some minibosses have nasty AoEs that surround a big part of an area. Granted, those are few and far between, but they exist.
    Also, more often than not you'll encounter situations where you won't have enough time to pull away from a situation with only Shadowstep. You need a secondary dodge move in case that fails.
     
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    Oh come on Schev; why do you get ms xtal and I don't :( (DW has higher drop rate of xtal chance?? :p:rolleyes:)

    A very interesting build; from what I see I think you try to utilize the main hand (skills) damage, by using Tempest:

    Like @TheXIIIthGuy said; Phantom slash is a great skill for defense~

    But I also heard that Phantom Slash is the only skill where the offhand weapon isn't really taken into calculation for the damage; so it might be good for offense as well? o_O
     
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    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    Actually, it doesn't matter if the skill uses offhand damage or not; many skills from the DW tree can be good for offense if the build is done right. Tempest is still superior though, because of the access to Sword Techniques and how easy it is to increase main hand damage.
     
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    Yeah; but since his stat distribution was STR-DEX (if I remember correctly from an earlier video of him) he doesn't 'care' about the offhand damage AGI provides. Since Sword Techniques increases main hand damage, won't Phantom Slash scale off of that as well?
     
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    I'm not sure of this myself, but since there are multiple skills that work this way (Long Range for example), my bet is that the effect is locked to Sword Skills only. And since Dual Wield Skills are in a different tree, they may not get the boost (which is silly, but hey, I've seen worse from Asobimo logic).
     
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    Sword Tech does not boost phantom slash's damage output. Phantom slash scales via raw ATK and Critical damage. :) Sword Tech only boost skills inside "Blade" skill tree.
     
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    Ah I see, thanks for the info:

    This is kind of off-topic; but would you mind if I drop you a pm about Auto Attack cancelling? :oops:
     
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    I cant remember the name of that other DW that uses Tempest as main DPS skill other than Makoi and Iroh.
    But he has a more aggresive approach to using Tempest. He's half Ampr Half Dps build.
    As for me, my comments on Tempest vs Phantom is still The same.
    Tempest for a more offensive setup.
    Phantom for a more Utility/defensive wise setup.
    I'd honestly go for Tempest if lvl 2 and 3 Guard skills don't give me the effects im looking for.
    A good variation between offensive and defensive combos is good, plus adding Tempest means you can focus on a higher dps stat allocation. While phantom still does a good amount of damage.
    For me the only downside Tempest is the same as Storm. If you cast it on a target that moves frequently, dps is wasted.
    But the good thing about Tempest in this setup is its used like how a 2h uses Tempest. Also its more well prorated.
    Im still indifferent whether whats better between the two. But to each his own.

    This setup can still be improved. And i'll wait for its improvement.
     
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    Sure, no problem sir. :)
     
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    Yes, Tempest sucks against bosses that moves a lot, That is why I recommend this build for area boss farming only. But it can do well overall, It's just that, If the boss moves a lot, this build will lose a lot of DPS. Understanding the boss' behavior and the duration of its moveset is the most important part to know to be able to maximize the ticks of Tempest.

    I will enhance this build and try to lessen the flaws. Still thinking on what skill to add / max.
     
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    Edied: Added a video about cancelling auto attack 3x for a total of 4x. (Confirmed)
     
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    Any reason why your weapon on the video is atk str cd instead of atk dex cd even though you only have 100 str? I like your dw build and would probably base mine from it :)
     

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