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Graze Hit with extra Stability?

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Azu666, Nov 16, 2020.

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  1. Azu666

    Azu666 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, so I'm aware that a "Graze" hit will cut the overall stability of your damage in half (ranging from 50-100% for damage), but what happens if I go beyond the normal 100% Stability with xtals like Venena? Will the base 50% Stability from a Graze be raised?
     
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    no one tried it atm. unless someone test it using 200% stability to prove it
     
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    in theory, yes.
    in practice there is hasn't been proved yet.
     
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    Since graze is influenced by the enemy's flee, I have a question- DEF increases per difficulty (norm=x1 hard x4(?) nm=x8(?) ult=x16). Is flee also increased in the same manner?

    Edit: with some research I can confirm it does increase by difficulty. Ult. mode will increase the bosses flee by 6x.
     
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    I also have questions:
    1. Is it possible to achieve 200% stability rn?
    2. What's the change in the graze threshold if the enemy was [Dazzled]?
     
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    1. Theoretically, it IS possible to achieve 200% or even a bit more, but only with specific gears builds. And I must say it's absolutely NOT recommended to build like that because not only it's very, very hard to achieve, but also ineffective if you're aiming to deal a lot of damage since you're gonna have to sacrifice a lot of stats for stability.

    2. From what I've read, [Dazzled] doubles the graze threshold. That means less grazing I think.
     
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    Graze Is Decrease 50% Stability ?
     
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    I'm just thinking if [Dazzled] works like this:
    -You have 100% stab.
    -If your attacks graze, it'll be halved... making it 50%.
    -You inflicted [Dazzled], now your graze attacks have 75% stab.
    If it works like this, it is possible to test if you'll have 100% stab even if graze within 150% total stability + [Dazzled]. The problem is I don't know exactly how dazzled works and it is quite a waste of resources to build an HB char with STR and DEX stats
     
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    Dazzled is about white graze, not crit graze
     
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    Eh Btw graze and dazzled Is what ?
     
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    Halves it I think. If I recall from what I've read yesterday, miss or hit calculation is determined by a RNG roll of 100. If it loses causing a miss, it will RNG roll again to determine if it will just graze instead. If the roll is lower than the graze threshold, it will miss, and above the threshold will cause graze. Graze threshold is dependent on your weapon: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0MubiUzAMiN9PMJCxLiDJQN8g

    What I'm curious is if a graze sets the wep. stability to half, or if it just halves your wep. stab. (eg. the former sets stab. to exactly 50% of your wep+equip, while the later sets your wep.+equip stab. by 50%.- but it can RNG to full 100% stability- which is more than half of your stab... given you had less than 100% stab. from the start.)
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    Dazzle Debuff increase your white graze chance 2x
    all weapon have fix absolute graze (if hit and crit failed)

    ex. (forgot other weapon rate)
    Normal = OHS 25% , Barehand 50% , BG 5%
    w/Dazzle = OHS 50% , Barehand 100% , BG 10%
     
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    Graze Reduct 1/2 your stabilty againts the target
    ex. 80% turn into 40% (not -50%)
     
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    if an attack fails the accuracy check, it usually misses. but there's a fixed chance to hit anyway, which makes a grazed hit.
    one way is 'critical rate', the other the weapon's minimum hit rate, which is hard coded for each weapon type.

    Bowgun has the lowest at 5% and Staff the highest at 30%.
    if an attack would miss, the minimum accuracy is applied to roll for another hit chance, which upgrades the attack from a miss to a grazed hit, if successful.
    critical hits cannot miss and only do the regular accuracy check to determine grazed hits.

    grazed hits work with half the usual stability for damage calculation.
    stability above 100% will factor into this, but you still only get half the value, so investing in other stats, such as accuracy, is more worth.

    Dazzle is ailment (currently) exclusive to halberds.
    it's supposed to reduce the enemies dodge rate, but rather than lowering their flee stat it halves the calculated chance to miss. hit rate and graze treshold are then increased accordingly.
     
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    me jist sitting here wib popcorn not knowing wat even graze is -_-
     
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    Does minimum accuracy = Graze threshold?
     
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    well yes but actually no.
    the graze treshold is calculated from hit and flee stats. minimum accuracy is just the lower boundary for the graze treshold.
     
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    I see. Thanks a lot.
     
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    That's actually -50% stability of available stability.
    Like -50% of 80% stability = 40% stability.
    It's same thing.
     
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