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How do blacksmiths live refiner life without losing their sanity lol

Discussion in 'Production Class' started by Stellar, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Stellar

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    I’ve been a blacksmith for ehh 1 months... so far I’ve refined 5 items... all of them got S+ and sell well... today was a bit of a “major” loss for me. Lost around 6m trying to refine a ns bow. Reached A+ then thought that I should keep going... my dumbass doesn’t know limitations then I ended with Ori stk loss with E+ -_-.... I’ve even heard some people spend 20m or 10m trying to refine but very unlucky. They either ends with B+ or C+. I’m not sure if I should keep going? Half a stk anti deg, and hema left.... I should restock but I feel it’s too risky. A-S isn’t much struggle for me but 0-B is like hell eating me.
     
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    That's how it is sometimes, I know people who have spent 40m+ on +S refine for stuff like Integridar or other P.ava weapons. Buying +S is usually around 8-10m right now and it's all luck
     
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    I have a refiner char for around a year, yet the highest I've ever done was +A. Yes, refining can be a painful job. My stuff often got degraded from +B to like +D (if slotted) and it won't go back up, not even to +C. I'm trying to get my Integridar but can't get to +A lol
     
  4. Stellar

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    I’m sorry bro. Did you lose a lot of cash? Refining is really risky lol...
     
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    Refining S for NS to 2S usually takes me 3- 6m. But recently I spent 38m to refine a 2s to +S for a customer.

    The worst times to refine based on my observations is during a blacksmith item orb campaign, and even a few hours before. The degradation rate goes to hell during those times. The thing is, you never know when Asobimo starts those campaigns, so it's still luck based.

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    NOT THIS CAMPAIGN, THIS ONE IS PRETTY MUCH AVAILABLE 24/7. The other campaign that says 100% chance of getting a refinement item is the one you should worry about.
    Here are some tips to prevent risk as much as possible. These are applicable when you are refining for yourself, but not for a customer since you don't have the luxury of time.

    When refining to B, buy 11 Orichal at a time.
    Never buy more than 1 stk of ant deg at a time.
    If you degrade from B more than 3 times in the span of 40 mins, stop refining and wait for another day. Check if the blacksmith orb campaign is up.

    I have 2 videos of me refining to S in real time.
    Here's one of them :
     
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  6. Zufeng

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    Mostly stuck on E or B if i really lucky
    Never got past B cus its too dem scary,especially slotted eq
     
  7. Naim

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    Here a tips
    NAVER EVER
    Refine when aso make refine and ava chest campaign
    Everything screw up at that time
    Not just refining
     
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    So basically never refine if that would be true lol
     
  9. Akali097

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    Refining, huh...

    Personally, got the patience to fight Mozto Machina on Ultimate solo (30 mins, only Regera V for heal :eek:), but that's very much a different story, 'cause refining takes a whole sh*tload of real life LUK stat, and a different kind of patience... traumatized by my Dia Staff +A (170 ATK, NS) being degraded... sure, the other day successfully got a Lil Empress Sword to +A, but... decided on baby steps; until I get used to doing +A, or when 200 cap comes, whichever goes first, only then will I try aiming for +S again...
    I'm not known to spend a lot on refining; most of the mats used are self-procured, aside from the Orichalcums...
     
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    I refine S regularly, sometimes daily, and at this point I've built tolerance to it. I can refine S three times a day at most, anymore than that and my heart crumbles to ashes.
     
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    Did you have some major losses as well? Also how much did the customer pay you for that 2s - S+?
     
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    I get major losses 1/5 of the time. I usually charge 18m for my 2s refine service, and I take pride in my affordability as a blacksmith. It didn't work in my favor in that case though.

    What profit I make, I lose about 40-50% of it. Unlucky weeks, I lost 90% profit or lose some spina. Lucky weeks, I profit a lot.
     
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    A lot, but I guess the amount I've spent is so small compared to the amount others have spent trying to refine and failed.
     
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    I find +S refining a gambling, why? u gonna take the risk of the 1% success rate just to aim for +A, then risk at 1% again for +S, don't forget the degration of item also which is estimated 4-8% even on using luk stats character (using the normal anti-deg).
    Sometimes i got lucky using only 1 stk of anti-deg and hematite and achieve a direct +S equip, there are times also for me that i spend around 10-15m and the item can't get enough to +S which is already my loss of income.
    So whether you want to gamble ur refine or not, the decision is up to :D
     
  15. Stellar

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    Yeah agree bro, I spent 6m to refine and i decide to stop at B+ cause I can’t take it anymore xD I’ll continue if I’m refine rich... it’s risky spending spina on anti deg hema and ori >_<
     
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    yep,that's how it works.

    i tried being into the refine smith business too when i first started then it went really bad and leave horrible taste and mental depression to me,so i scrapped the idea of making other smiths and focus on fighting bosses at front line for expensive items that i can sell.

    honestly i have spent an entire day refining without resting and got no +A,sometimes even a week,while farming a boss an entire day can be quite more profitable and less risky.

    it would be quite good if you make a craft smith though,crafting a high atk weap and pay for other smith so they refine it to +S and you sell it for millions later.
     
  17. Akali097

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    +B NS still pays well... especially if you're the kind that procures their own materials instead of buying them... 100% profit; you get your investment on the crafter toon back faster than you could blink! Hard to balance fighting ability with crafting prowess though... just a bit. Gonna have to update the "combat mode" of my 2H STR>DEX Smith when I have the time...
     
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    refining will always be fun and a heart pounding feeling everytime youre attempting on +S. atleast for me. go for broke for the highest toramgasm experience :pogchamp:
     
  19. Lil☆Neko

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    In terms of refining: Murphy's Law sums up my experience - anything that can go wrong will go wrong lmao.

    I personally prefer statting so so so so much more than refining
     
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    That's not how I experience refining :^]
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    I personally believe luck is bound to some people, if you aren't one of those I don't think the risk of S refines is worth it. Or at least not something you should count on, if you can combine it with a statting service; the profit of the statting service can cover the loss of the refine service (unless you're dead unlucky).
     

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