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Knuckle tank+ aspd

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Rizer phoenix, Jul 27, 2019.

  1. Rizer phoenix

    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering how much (minimum)aspd we need to overcome that short delay in animation ?
    Since as a tank, aside from ailment resist, high hp, mp management/ regeneration would be a problem too, no?(stats r MTL>VIT)
    So l wanted to ask this, since that would help me with the idea of which ring l would need.
    Also, I would like someone to suggest a good ring & xtal(within budget of 1m plz) ><)/ that covers any of following
    1) decent mp(+200 atleast),
    2) no - ailment,
    3) ampr..,
    4) +aggro(covered by shield so if not, its fine),
    5) +hp%, ...thats all l think -w-;)..
    Help wouod be appreciated!
    Thank u in advance for anyone who answers!
     
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    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    Maximum 50% reduce animation on action, cannot stack with Swift.

    Dark Talisman Resist
    HP+900
    MP+300
    Phy & Magic Resistant +10%
    When I buy it’s about 800K with slot.

    Mana regen skills, use spiritual Dance to regen 100-200 mana every 11 second.
    Combo :
    Smash > Shield Break(save) > SDance(Swift)
    If you use it wisely and lucky on shield break and quick draw, you will regen 600MP. It’s affect party as well.

    Throw shield > Warcry > SDance
    Some damage with long range recast buff.
     
  3. Rizer phoenix

    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    I see, thank u!
    ..now l need to farm that ring *^*; ) dam..
    Hmm..
    Thou, while dancer skills seem awesome to regen mp, can there be an alternate?


    And l apologize, but l didnt understand ur first statement..
    I meant l want my normal atks to be faster, since l feel a delay of about..uh..1s-2s between them,
    Like time warp watch gives 1000 aspd l think, is 1k nuff to have a decent speed?
    Should l keep a ring with ‘deniala+ tapir/‘that purple spider boss(name forgotten...)’ in case for mp regen(since thats the whole point of ampr, more aspd=mp regen=easy atks/counter)
    Apologize for so many questions ><)
    Since its my first time as a tank, l dont want there to be any negatives if l can help it..
     
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    at 1000 aspd, the recovery time becomes 0, which means you can attack consecutively.
    but there's the animation delay between hits, because your character must swing his arms forth and back for every attack.
    this can be speed up with motion speed.
    maximum motion speed increment is 50%, which you get at 10.000 aspd.
     
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    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Oh!
    I see, thank u for clearing that :3
    N 10k aspd -.-; )...not sure l can get that much as a Mtl>Vit tank..
     
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    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    So far SDancer is the most stable MP regen i used, arcane strike is good but have lot of restriction.

    Attack speed interval will appear only when you have 1000 below ASPD. Basically you will see your attack speed different every 10% motion increase ( mean +1800 ASPD ), but ASPD% will not have much effect for none AGi build and ASPD+ gear mostly come with none tank stat. So once ASPD reach 1K is better go for Resistant gear.

    You can keep Tapir+titeres in your ring, 1K HP for a tank won’t have much change, 15K HP with some resistant gear is enough, and HP too much will have difficult on regen when you get fractional Damage. 5% perfect dodge may seem like nth, but who know maybe you a lucky man.

    The easier way is just get a decoy, or train yourself on MP management.
     
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    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    Some add-on
    Aggregate give +5 AMPR at LVL10
    You can try get it from stargem.

    I don’t have Knuc-tank tbh, I use 1H-tank.
    Form my experience, high AMPR it’s better than High ASPD especially on high difficulty mob. Said the gespent2 and the Anniv Gold 185, at last phase geapent2 will spam aoe spike or keep move around, it’s hardly for a melee to hit them, 1 hit already consider good. For Anniv Gold 185, spike, Sunfall, Knock Back, Huge AOE skill, there is lot of time force me to use mana potion to regen my MP ( I didn’t have decoy ), and if concentrate on normal ATK, you lose your aggro. So if possible try make your AMPR to 100 per hit, it’s better than increase your ASPD.
     
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    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, thats a fact, if u dont mind, how much minimum ampr we need to recover 1 bar per hit?
     
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    100
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    The newest anniv sword would give you a a lot of ampr, 30%magic resist and estra maxhp%
     
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    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    I noticed that, is MTL-VIT 1h-tank a thing..?
    Not sure -w-; ) since l have been focused on knuckle tank since start..
     
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    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Uh..thats..alot..
    I need ampr food *^*; ) ..which l dun have..
    As for ampr..l think the maximum l can get..would be hardly 15-20..-w-; ) with xtal/ring that r decent..
    Since my avatars are focused on 20% reflect, natural hp regen, ailment resist +5%, n ..evasion/dodge.. not sure thats good or bad :oops:
    On that note~
    Is reflect good for tanks?
    Since somewhat of boss’ dmg is returned to em.
     
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    AMPR calculation is 10+MaxMP/100 + MP-buff
    So if your MaxMP is 2000, then your AMPR will be 10+20 = 30
    At skill level 10, Guardian give +15, aggregate +5, with tapir and titeres =+20
    So your total AMPR will be 30+15+5+20 = 70
    If you got +18 AMPR foods = 88
    Zahhak machine give+5 and it’s cheap,maybe can consider, then craft the Magic absorb stone that give AMPR+6, then total will be 99.
    If you lucky got AMPR on armor, then it’s will over 100 already.

    For reflect not recommended. Tank need survivability, try to avoid get damage. A tank doesn’t mean it need to absorb all enemy attack, you not in WWF. Since now got free fairy sewing tools, try your luck get more Ailment Resistant + on avatar, I did have a luk and now total can get +18 Ailment resistant on avatar ( although I don’t have MTL tank....)
     
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    I think guardian gives you +15 ampr for every party member within guardian range, so if all 3 pt members are all close to you then you would get +45 ampr, there's also evil magic sword xtal for +5 ampr, as well as mardula with +4 ampr, both are weapon xtals. There's Zoe for additional xtal which gives +9 ampr, and tapir and titeres for special, both of which gives +10 ampr each. I also use a full ampr set for my 1h semi dps tank and use all of those xtals except for titeres lol, I prefer ampr for tank instead of survival stats like hp and resist since in my opinion, more mp from ampr=more ability to use survival skills like P.def, elegant poise, meteor breaker, along with more aggro from spamming those skills.
     
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    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    I see!
    Thank u so much for clearing up things :3
    Thou l still choose knuckle tank route x3
    Since it facinates me alot!
    N after gespy n desperation with tanks..n their lack of interruptions in last phase, l choose the build with most interruption potential :3
     
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    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    A point u have!
    But considering its my first time, l might get careless alot xD
    So l need sufficient hp too :3
    But l would prefer mp/ampr alot..since l like using skills alot xD
    Oh and thank u for mentioning(recommending?) ampr xtals!
     
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    Oic, didn’t notice that . Tyvm
     
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    Np, it’s a free style mmorpg.
     
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    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Indeed~
    Perfection l want~
    But l also wanna enjoy *^*)/!
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    The only thing knuck tank is better than sword tank at tanking is sonic wave's 100% long range tumble rate, other than that, gear stats wise, NPC sword has more stats useful for tanks
     

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