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LVL 3 Blade Skills: Rampage

Discussion in 'Warrior' started by Cypherian, Feb 21, 2016.

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ah shit, i messed up, sorry. i forgot about impact halving rampage cost. and thought of boosting rampage speed more.
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Oh its ok. But 200mp on a 1h with high attkspd is nothing imo. Hehe. And also @ level 5, the aggro of rampage is not that high. I casted the combo on yelb and it didnt cause aggro. Ill test it further

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Oh its ok. But 200mp on a 1h with high attkspd is nothing imo. Hehe. And also @ level 5, the aggro of rampage is not that high. I casted the combo on yelb and it didnt cause aggro. Ill test it further
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it's better if you use it if you don't have aggro. less worry about getting flinched or interrupted

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it's better if you use it if you don't have aggro. less worry about getting flinched or interrupted
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Rampager also able to get interrupt even after the rampage skill start?

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Rampager also able to get interrupt even after the rampage skill start?
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Yes

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How about depend on status ailments like stop or stun and with 1k+aspd + motion equipments so the rampage combo will end before status ailment?

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Stop only stops u from runing around so it wont stop ur rampage, flinch tumble knockback and stun can stop your rampage midway

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Or maybe try the impact> rampage swift. I did 80k dmg on yelb with this. Too bad didnt have the screenie. Total combo is 5.5sec i think. Costs 500mp

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Stop only stops u from runing around so it wont stop ur rampage, flinch tumble knockback and stun can stop your rampage midway
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I mean to the boss and miniboss since I heard if stun status ailment can hold a boss/miniboss for 3-5 seconds

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I mean to the boss and miniboss since I heard if stun status ailment can hold a boss/miniboss for 3-5 seconds
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You can do that. Stun + rampage is very safe. But stun on bosses have 20sec cooldown so you cant spam it.

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Oh its ok. But 200mp on a 1h with high attkspd is nothing imo. Hehe. And also @ level 5, the aggro of rampage is not that high. I casted the combo on yelb and it didnt cause aggro. Ill test it further
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Probably cause you weren't spamming it.
Rampage @lv10 = 700 aggro. 2nd highest aggro dealer in the game RN after provoke.
Yelb also has some nasty aoes for Rampager 1h especially cos u hav to get 1m closer to do rampage ,_,.
If u want remove aggro you use sneak attk

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Astute> spiral air save> hh cons> impact cons > trigger cons> rampage smite> sonic blade cons <-- for 1H

try that for a faster rampage
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Here's 1mp COMBO for 1h smited an motion buffed.
Asute-smoke dust(save)-triggerlvl6(cons)-rampage(smite)-hardhit(cons).
Agrro this combo is very high tho ...

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Here's 1mp COMBO for 1h smited an motion buffed.
Asute-smoke dust(save)-triggerlvl6(cons)-rampage(smite)-hardhit(cons).
Agrro this combo is very high tho ...
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Thats a great idea. But i dont have sp for shot skills. I wanna try the sneak attack though.

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Thats a great idea. But i dont have sp for shot skills. I wanna try the sneak attack though.
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It actually works great with 1h cos sneak ATK removes all agro for shot skills- so smoke DUST agro is completely negated.
I was thinking 2 COMBO set up for it cos I startin to hate having sneak in my combo (1 sec animation time)
COMBO 1- moeba-sneak(save)-astute or trigge... Cos Ur range last skill won't activate so it will be 1mp
Combo 2- astute-smoke(save)-any skill(cons)-rampage(swift).
U can use Combo 1 once every few rampage combos to remain undercover from boss

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Thats a great idea. But i dont have sp for shot skills. I wanna try the sneak attack though.
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Heres a link. If you wana find out more
http://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/the-assassin-berserker-2hand-1hand-builds.11206/
Sorry cyp posting on Ur thread XD. Shameless advertising lol

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It actually works great with 1h cos sneak ATK removes all agro for shot skills- so smoke DUST agro is completely negated.
I was thinking 2 COMBO set up for it cos I startin to hate having sneak in my combo (1 sec animation time)
COMBO 1- moeba-sneak(save)-astute or trigge... Cos Ur range last skill won't activate so it will be 1mp
Combo 2- astute-smoke(save)-any skill(cons)-rampage(swift).
U can use Combo 1 once every few rampage combos to remain undercover from boss
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I hope its also usable for 2H. The sneak attack i mean. Im thinking hh> sneak save> astute smite trigger cons> impact cons> tempest smite> rampage smite for tempest
Astute> sneak save> hh cons> trigger cons> rampage smite> impact cons for rampage

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I hope its also usable for 2H. The sneak attack i mean. Im thinking hh> sneak save> astute smite trigger cons> impact cons> tempest smite> rampage smite for tempest
Astute> sneak save> hh cons> trigger cons> rampage smite> impact cons for rampage
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It is definitely usable, I have videos somewhere Bt I'm able to complete my whole Rampage combo at roga - which not many Rampagers can do I have witnessed.
And that's a nice combo Ur 1st I like it.
U should also make use of -agro gear like spy talisman -25% agro. Helps alot

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It is definitely usable, I have videos somewhere Bt I'm able to complete my whole Rampage combo at roga - which not many Rampagers can do I have witnessed.
And that's a nice combo Ur 1st I like it.
U should also make use of -agro gear like spy talisman -25% agro. Helps alot
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Oh the -aggro. I still dont have those. Really? Thats cool. Ill create a new 2H only for this build haha. Thank you!

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Could this match my sword fu? Or overpass sniper's dps?

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LVL 3 Blade Skills Rampage Walk Through, Damage Computations.

As an introduction to the skill, i'll quote Argo's post.

Rampage
Lv 3 Blade Skill One-Handed/Two-Handed
MP500
Hit Count: 20 hits
Physical Skill
Max Range: 2m One-Handed 3m Two-Handed
Furiously and consecutively attack a target. You need to be careful for monsters' attacks because the duration of this skill is long.
This skill deals 200% more damage on the consecutive hits when using One-Handed.
This skill deals 300% more damage on the final hit when using Two-Handed.

So as the skill says, It has a very long duration for a skill, most likely this is the skill that has the longest animation currently in the game.
and with that regard, people tend to hate it because they prefer fast clears and fast executions, to be "efficient", so to speak.

But it is one of the most powerful skills in the game. If a well built, Rampage Oriented player was to use this, it can surpass Snipe damage and Storm Damage since
Snipe's tend to rely on crit to access big damage
Storm needs to have the right amount of damage drop off to damage heavily.
So players will opt for Tempest Slash even if it has lower damage and higher mp compared to Rampage, the damage-to-mp cost is better on rampage.

So onto damage calculation
I used the calculation from the link you gave me some time ago, and tested it with 80% stability, and no other deductions, only using a rapier @64 ns no stats. no armor, add or talismans and no combo used.
For 1h, let's say, your White Damage has a consistent damage of 1000 per hit.
-SLv10
first seven hits: white damage× 0.30 = 1000 + (1000*0.30) = 1000+300 = 1300 * 7 = total of 9100
second 10 hits: white damage× 0.29 = 1000 + (1000 * 0.29) = 1000+290 = 1290 *10 = total of 12900
the next two times : white damage×1.00 = 1000 + 1000 = 2000 *2 = total of 4000
last hit: ( white damage+ 500 ) × 3.00 = (1000 + 500) * 3 = 1500 *3 = 4500.

Total damage of: 30500

Now that is all just White Damage, note that white damage your White damage, if you have no additional crit damage, you have i think 150% cdmg, so you get 1500 crits.

so taking the damage respectively.
first 7 hits = 1300 * 150% = 1950 * 7 = total of 13650
second 10 hits = 1290 * 150% = 1935 * 10 = total of 19350
next 2 hits = 2000 * 150% = 3000 *2 = total of 6000
last one = 4500* 150% = 6750

just the total damage of it would equal to 45750, now that is just using Rampage immediately.

now on to 2h,
2h has a different calculation, and you can also notice that when applied.
so we will also be using 1000 as base white damage. for formality's sake.
-SLv10
first 11 hits: white useless × 0.18 = 1180 * 11 = 12980
the following six hits: white useless × 0.17 = 1170 * 6 = 7020
the next two times : white useless × 1.50 = 1500 * 2 = 3000
last one white useless + 500 ) ×5.00 = (1000+ 500) * 5 = 1500 * 5 = 7500

Total Damage of 30500.

as you can see, it is lower compared to 1h rampage.
Possible reasons:
You did not crit
1h rampage is more reliant on Micro damage(the first 17 hits) rather than macro damage (the last three hits especially the last hit)
now as a 2h, you will build pure STR.
so having 221 Str at lvl 80.
your base CDMG is 150% and assuming that 5 str = +1 CDMG = 221/5 = +44 CDMG giving you 194% CDMG

Recomputing again. would become
first 11 hits: white useless × 0.18 = 1180 * 194% = 2289 * 11 = 25181
the following six hits: white useless × 0.17 = 1170 * 194% = 2269 * 6 = 13618
the next two times : white useless × 1.50 = 1500* 194% = 2910 * 2 = 5820
last one white useless + 500 ) ×5.00 = (1000+ 500) * 5 = 1500 * 5 = 7500* 194% = 14550

Total damage is 59169.
Rocketing it so far.

now that is just with 1000 white damage. taking into consideration real time damage that would fluctuate between 1k-3k for 1h and 3k - 6k for 2h.
and that does not even include it being smited.

Now onto usage.
the main problem why Rampage, even though a powerful skill, is not used that much.
Reasons:
Slow Animation
most bosses have interrupting skills.
you like to get aggro. which makes you an easy target for interupting skills.
The only possible ways you can mitigate the reasons stated above are:
Use motion speed buffing skills.
use swift combo
use your rampage combo when you are not aggro'd
Motion Speed buffing skills are:
WarCry and Trigger Slash
you'd either opt for both with Warcry first then Rampage to increase motion speed and damage. Trigger last for enhanced motion speed for next combo. and ampr.
or Trigger first just for motion speed buffing Rampage on that combo, losing out on ampr. but utilizing damage for trigger. it may also eat up mp if you put trigger on 2nd skill

Swift:
Swift increases the skill's animation. Making you execute it faster, make your character move faster while using that skill. But it does not reduce cast time. only skill animation.

Using it while non aggro'd
the best way to use Rampage is to position your self from the side or behind the boss since most bosses have skills that cast in the direction they are facing. and also, When rampage is cast/casting/being executed, the skill will not stop even if the boss moves away.

Possible Combos:
for most 1h.
HH > Astute Cons > Warcry Cons > Rampage Smite/Swift> Trigger Cons.
most likely a 5mp to 6mp.
If you want to use Impact.
Astute > Warcry Cons > Impact Cons > Rampage Smite/Swift > Trigger Cons
3 mp - 4 mp combo. which i think is better.
you can play around combos and combo settings. The combos above are the only combos i have tried yet.

Pros and Cons of Rampage:
Pros:
High Damage Output
Can One combo kill Some Bosses if timed right.

Cons:
Slow Animation
Prone to interrupts.
high mp
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Idol Cyph what will be the best stats,skills and equips for DW rampage? thanks

Ed Garcillanosa, May 30, 2016

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Can this combo work out?
Astute ->Shell break(save)->hh (cons)->trigger slash lvl 5(cons)->rampage(smite)->impact(cons)
Can this make 2mp combo and turn into a 1mp combo?
I'm trying to make a rampage build even if it's not best dps right now atm

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