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MP Charge: Is it worth it?

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Mrs. Mimic, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Mrs. Mimic

    Mrs. Mimic Well-Known Member

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    Hey there. I come to you with swallowed pride to ask a question...

    I find myself wiped out on MP in boss battles. I usually fight with my bestie who's the heavy hitter. I just do what I can making the boss hate me with all my stun and fatigue moves while she sneaks up the rear to put a hurtin' on that bootay. As much as I try finding outfits that boost MP, it just seem to never be enough. And I heard about MP Charge since I tend to see peeps doing that skill before another boss run. So is it really worth it for my class? And if it is, how much AP do I add into it? Do I need to invest in Magic Mastery as well for the M. Att? Should I look for other alternatives like MP Recovery through attacking? I'm seriously on the fence if I should get the move or just find alternatives to keep the baddie on the ropes. For a person in the 90 level area I'm seriously clueless now that I have to worry about getting gud in this game.
    Anything you can give me would be GREATLY appreciated! ^^ *bows*
     
  2. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    For none magic attack Knuc build, MP charge use only when out of combat, why ?
    1 use in battle is a suicide move unless you have MD or Staff equipped.
    2 no other mana recovery item available for now, it’s do have but very very less recover.(ignore mana potion unless you rich)
    3 You can learn the sit rest from survival skill, but no one will wait you till your mana fully recover.
    Wisely use your combo, try slot In shield break in your combo, quick draw is another option but it’s require another 20 sp.
     
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    Getting it to level 1 can be useful outside of battles, but I would much more highly recommend AMPR and MP (100MP raises AMPR by 1). AMPR is 10 by default (11 if you consider the deafult 100MP), and for a brawler, 20-33 AMPR is good. If you haven't already gotten aggravate to level 10 then you should because it raises your AMPR by 5. A speed IV talisman can give you 500MP (5 AMPR), and even some extra AGI. All of those things combined should put your AMPR at 21, which is good enough in my opinion, though you could also get MP boost (300MP), a chimera arrow (300MP) and an eerie crystal crysta (5AMPR; can be upgraded to 10 by using a tapir crysta).

    Also remember that, as a brawler, your ASPD should be at least at 1100 because it helps a lot with prorating and using your AMPR to its full potential.
     
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  4. Mrs. Mimic

    Mrs. Mimic Well-Known Member

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    Thank you much for the information! :) As far as skills go, I make it a habit to max out any passive moves for my class since it's a sure thing most of the time. Currently my ASPD is around 1200+. I no longer see the "next attack" timer due to the speed. Unfortunately, my MP Recovery is abysmal. I'll have to work on getting those crystals and accessories... Luckily, I did see a Speed Talisman IV for cheap. No slots, but cheap is cheap.

    Quick Draw? I hear about skills from other classes, but I fear entering that territory... Is it worth a try? If it's not obvious, I can be very stingy with the SP.
     
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    Ampr for knucks are 2nd worst after halberd, every other class has ampr boosting skills excluding those 2
    Using other classes's skills is a common thing in Toram like impact/warcry, so no worries. But yeah its up to u to decide whether that 30% chance for 1mp is worth that sp or not, its not worth in my case btw
     
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    I'll give you a full set of gear if you can find me on Toram.
     
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    do martial skill have aggravate and chakra? Both have Ampr boost effect.

    I will find you and i will trade you! :D
     
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    If you are just working out just for ampr, start working on crit rates and 1mp combos. Even with high aspd and giant ampr, it wont do a thing if you miss most of your attacks chakra, aggrevate, warcry and/or clone wont help if you miss.
     
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    Quick draw is good if you spam combos or use long ones
     
  10. AliceYvne

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    QD is skill from Shot skill, it’s have 20% chance to recover 1MP when using skill, if you always have shield break in your low mP consume combo, just go for SB will do. I also quiet stingy person.

    Perhaps you can tell us what is your battle style, so we may give you more better suggestion. Example for my case, I’m having about 5k-10k ASPD, thus with shield break and the AMPR boost item, it’s enough for me to recover my MP. Beside all my combo is 1MP, so it’s not s problem for my mana (9mp for now) and I seldom use MP charge after boss battle.

    In case I dead in boss battle, I just need to use 1 Tera and Quick Aura to boost my ASPd to 7K, need only few second to recover 1MP and then will spam 1MP combo to get SB luck. Although it’s fail to regen from SB, on that time my ASPD is 9K, the time needed to regen 1MP is more shorthen. if success, then just Nice.
     
  11. Mrs. Mimic

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    I see... Hm, I guess that's why so many folks get so jazzed out about Star Gems. Better to get a skill without the hassle of a skill tree. I'll have to take a look at the other options.

    Awww! You're such a sweetie! :) I'd like that, but I'll have to thank you for the offer instead. I kinda wanna try on my own with my own two Playstation 2 graphics polygon hands. If you have any insight however, I'll gladly take that instead. :)

    Well, I usually play solo most of the time if I'm not playing with my friend who's a 2H swordstress. Whenever that happens, she's the one laying down the heavy damage while I support her smacking by keeping the baddie on the ropes. Taken that there are cool down times on bosses, I do find myself low on MP when I do Shell Break -> Heavy Smash. That's 700 MP of the 988 I currently have. ...I know, that's pretty sad lol. Because of that, I'm scrambling to punch like mad to gain the MP back before my bestie bites it. :( Sometimes I make it, other times I don't which is why I'm swallowing my pride to make this post.
    So, to sum up an answer, I guess I wanna be useful to her as well as being able to stand on my own. That means being able to have MP to spare OR at least be able to gain it back quickly. The idea to hit faster would be nice. BTW, is it possible to hit faster/more past 1200 ASPD? I doesn't seem possible... But what do I know? I'm still clueless to some things lol. I do have an alchemist with a Prof Lv. of 100 (cause I wanted to get the 3 Lock Synth) so I could rely on potions.... But GEEZ that cooldown timer is annoying!!! Even World of Warcraft cooldowns weren't that bad.

    About that. What would you say is a good stat ratio for AGI to DEX? I'm under the impression that it's 5:1 in favor of AGI but I do see where I'll miss quite a bit to some bosses; Goovua and is annoying ninjutsu for example.

    Thanks so much for the info I'm getting thus far. Anything tips that you and anyone can give me would be wonderful! :)
     
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  12. AliceYvne

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    Err...why u didn’t use combo??
    Smash > SB(save) > Tumble(swift) > Stun(swift) is common 4 lock for any knuc player...it’s consume only 1 MP.

    HSmash is nice but the motion kill time, you can use holy fist> rush(save) > Hsmash(swift) > sbreak(con)

    Not understand hit faster than 1200....do you mean ASPD more than 1200??
     
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    The generic set-up is full crit weapon& armor and the rest is swapped and suited up per needed. Yes, dex is needed since most bosses down the road are fancy and crit resistant. Most builds goes to full agi,50 vit rest dex. For ampr you can try grecia or ring of greed but it got negatives that is a bit offesive for any dps.

    Stargems skills is mostly useful if you need filler skills for your combo and dont want to spend sp on them like holy fist, kick, and quick aura.
     
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    Cheap Gear input (Cost at most 2m)
    Save up money for a 1 slot chakrum refine up to D or C

    Try to have it statted 7% Agi, 7% ATK, 15 flat crit, 10% aspd (relatively inexpensive)
    Put in Mp250 Xta

    Craft a 1 slotted Assassin garb (Tough) or Buy 1 slot holy robe, have it statted (relatively inexpensive)
    7% Agi, 10 Agi, 15 flat crit, 15% aspd
    Put in Mp250 Xta

    Depending on your style - Subhand -> Vulcan Shield (Best option for knuck)
    Dagger -> Rat knife or Storm Dagger
    Arrow -> Chimera Arrow

    Additional -> Fur Hat with Mp250

    Special -> Machina Ring With 4 Crit Xta and HP 400 Xta

    This should give you a ton of ASPD and 81 natural flat crit so you won't miss as often.
     
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    I'm sorry!!! :( I mean I've been training my Combos so it can be leveled at least, but I don't really know how to utilize it well enough to have it part of my routine. However, I shall try again with the specifications you suggested. Thanks. :) And yes, i do mean ASPD. I guess I'm seeing it on a graphics standpoint. I'm guessing my character can't move no faster than the animation given. After seeing a few YouTube videos I see that I was wrong. The animation does speed up! I was under the impression that once the "Next Attack" timer is gone, that's it. That's as fast as anyone could get. I was terribly mistaken. Still, that's good to know. :)

    Ooooooooo! That sounds awesome! I'll have to check that out! Thank you!

    I don't even know how I got this far in the game without this info. Maybe it's cause I have tons of potions. Maybe I'm just lucky to have a buddy to fight with at times. But I'm getting an idea of what to seek for. I'll definitely need to do an overhaul of my gear since that seems to be holding me down. The skills I'll have to do more research on cause I seriously don't wanna spend real money just to reset them. Still, you're all awesome for the info. Thank you for taking the time to set me straight.
     
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    62 pot enough for this stat?
    7% Agi, 7% ATK, 15 flat crit, 10% aspd
     
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    Not much but there is quiet some number of combo sharing and video sharing in this corner, just try it out and dm to them if you need help.
     
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    Yes should be.

    Nega Hp Recov 7% Nega Def 7%

    then all the positive stats at once
     
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    Then you must be leader for people to wait for you. Perhaps you can inform them before hand that you need to regen mp.
     
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    MP Charge is worth to get. The star gem cost 3mil on consign board. You can also use Natural MP regen items +100% like Toss Bouquet to regen mp :3
     

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