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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by (the)longtime(fan), Aug 9, 2018.

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    (the)longtime(fan) Well-Known Member

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    So toram is great, what about the other games that the devs have made, what are they like?
     
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    Iruna is nice; it's just like a primitive version of Toram. Avabel is cool too, but it doesn't really have much of a story and grinding takes forever, though the combat is really nice. Stellacept has a nice story and aesthetic, but all of the skills are pretty bland. Alchemia story is also a good one, but I don't like the combat and the game is mostly just weeaboo fuel.
     
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    What about anti pay to win, actual useful healing and buff, roles that aren't useless (like tanking was just made, and healing has been), customization that isn't expensive af when it's just cosmetic, player base, if it's still being updated/added to, stuff like that
     
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    I'll just make a new post, look for that if you respond
    Edit: nvm, I forgot activity on it seems to bring it back up to the top
     
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    Majority out there are not complicated, pretty straight forward, not confusing, and not as fun and not fully featured as toram. Normally their skills and weapons and equipments are locked on the classes/roles you will choose and no combo mechanics. Toram is the only game out there not as boring compared to others. Many builds and playstyle you can try on every weapon. A classless game, any weapons of choice can be built and give justice to any roles you picked. Flexible than other games you customize your sets of skills. You can adapt to different bosses playstyle approach just by changing equipments and changing combos.
    To sum it up you might never find any game like TORAM ;)
     
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    1: toram seems to be tearing itself apart as an RPG title though, and I don't appreciate that. You know how in an RPG you have the dps, the tank, the healer, the mage... Well they decided to make two of them useless af. I personally love healing, but it's garbage here, and if you make a character specifically to heal and buff then it's 100% useless. The buffs not only aren't that great to begin with, but they come with side effects that can make them out right useless. For example, if you want more damage, you're going to have to sacrifice accuracy. If you're trying to make the most out of your builds then this one will screw you over every time. Next is tanks, they typically try to take the damage so the others don't have to, but obviously avoid damage too. They made an update where you can slide out of the way while you're supposed to be locked in place, and one where you can stand in damage and take almost nothing. This completely screws over tanks because now there's no skill involved, and now a very high hitting dps can suddenly be unkillable. All of my guild left when they announced that, not to mention that the servers "crashed" for months, even though the team they have should have fixed that within a day or two if it's what they said it was.
    2: what about the points I mentioned in my first reply
     
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    I mean, it's a great social games with great art, music, creature design... and has parts of mmorpg, but it relies too heavily on rng for getting good loot, and doesn't have much end game content that's worth while or even just fun.
     
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    I you were here 1-2 years ago your statement might be " devs made 3 roles useless " like on that time noboby cares about tank.
    I think lets not blame devs if the meta is working or failing.
    This is what im talking about other games not as confusing. You see that buffs you talking about are from support skills tree and those skills are here like even 3 years ago. Im using those skills since i made my support and im using em infact i uploaded videos of it fighting different bosses. Its was supposed to be for supports thats why they have their drawbacks.
    They all give us the skills and equipments, can we blame them if we players choose not to use them?
    I thing you're trying to say the evasion/guard rework? Evasion is a very nice rework for range classes. Mages able to dogde skills as the mpcharge or cast finale will effectively boost their playstyle and party contribution.
    As for the gaurd, it a very toramgasm change for me atleast for my tank build.
     
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    Ok, English is clearly not your first language, anyways.
    I do believe there needs to be a certain balance and I can see that the devs are trying that, but they're doing it backwards. So buffs, you use a ton of mp on them, you have to position yourself where your party is in the circles, you take one little hit and all your buffs reset. This is already annoying af, then they add a debuff which just makes it complete bs. They've made a healer and buffing character completely useless. For tanks, though the new skills help them, it takes all the skill out and now a dead monkey can be a tank, as well as dps being able to use the same skills to have no need for a tank in the first place, so yes the tank gets a buff, but that buff is so op that it removes the need for a tank.

    But let's say screw that, and just accept it.
    There's still heavy reliance on rng for any decent high level gear. I don't want to spend a month grinding half or more of my time each day for the materials to make a two slot high tier gear, then get an update a few weeks later with better gear.
    Also when you get to max level with your characters, there's not much to do in endgame that's actually worthwhile or really enjoyable. There's weak buffs from garden, expensive af cosmetics, a house that almost no one will see, a really small and almost useless guild bar (there's guild maze access, that's the only use), guild maze and the dungeons which are ok but I'd like to see more, side quests are not really worth it, I doubt many people do 10% of the side quests because they're all just fetch and kill quests mainly and nothing unique or interesting aside from one or two (not counting events)
     
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    Yes utilizing auras requires knowledge of boss patterns. My question be do you even pay attention to analyze its patterns? Here are rhe videos of my support thats utilizing auras. When i got hit all auras gone. Not a big deal coz im a full support. I can always recast it my mp only for that role
    https://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/toram-support-chronicles.38745/#post-415216

    Yes thats also one of the reason why i gave them 3stars in store. But it is what it is and if you're playing this game for a while by now youve already accepted the mechanics. It all comes down on whats your goal on playing the game.
    And based on your tone you play to be OP maybe to be ahead of everyone? On a PVE game, I suggest try to play the game with a self goal for yourself on how you can improve your chosen character, build, playstyle, role at your own phase. You need to acknowledge yourself fisrt before you ask for others to. If you cant, it might be hard for you to enjoy this game coz it will only give you stress and you will always find someone or something to blame.
    PLAY AND ENJOY THE SYSTEM BUT DONT BECOME A SLAVE TO THE SYSTEM.
    And sorry if my English very very bad
     
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    Ok, so the boss patterns would be a valid argument, but there's York that makes two moves where no matter where you move, you get hit. Also there's sometimes the little mobs that help out the boss that can reset you.
    I used play in a guild where we tried to get everyone equipped with the best stuff, our leader Lucas Drakoni was a very intelligent guy and pulled the wool from my eyes while playing this game. He showed me how there's a hidden in game clock where if you open chests at certain times you can get rare xtals and skill books, and blacksmithing at certain times made 2 slot armor more probable (even with discovering this hidden clock, the stuff is rare af, but you can at least see that it's possible to get rarer items, and for the first time in my multiple years of playing I made a 2 slot garb). We were able to get the best out of the game, but he had his complaints about the game that I've mentioned before, and we left after the crash. Personally I don't see the point in being the person with the absolute best gear, but that's the way he was and he would work with us to make sure we got it too. Anyways, I don't care about being the top player like he did, but his complaints were more than valid, and we were in the best condition. I feel like if toram is going to suck at balance and all that, it should at least try to implement creative and fun ideas for content when you've done all the grinding. Is it so wrong of me to ask for something a little more fun than mindless grinding with impossible rng and a little more creative than the guild maze and dungeon when I've done everything I can to upgrade myself?
     
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    I do understand where your frustrations coming from. Aside from the hidden game clock you talking about, theres also hidden ways on how to do stuffs like making a new toon today and be capped in a week with all 2slot +S with 9 digits spina as spare. And the more you compare what you have with them, the more you will felt youre inferior player which will bring you pressure and remove the fun.
    The game is confusing it got so many stuffs to do with ( be cap, get statted gears/weapons, put xtals, refine to highest possible, complete my cosplay idea, get a pet, new update/added skills, renovate my house, hunting pantsu? :pogchamp: etc.. that it can be overwhelming and can easily derail your track and loose focus from what you really want to achieve and ending up drowning your brain.
    I cant blame your leader. You should be grateful he giving you tips in game based on what he experienced. Everyone in this game needs help. Tutorials, guides and infos are everywhere instead of asking help, try and learn how to help ourselves. Be grateful if it comes, if it doesn't carry on like a boss.
    Boring mindless grinding depends on the player. I always have the habits of changing boss farm, changing activities ( refining, synthesizing, trolling in town, chats with guilds ) whenever i felt bored. Its your choice to make it boring.
     
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    We had all the best stuff, it just took an army and a private knowledge of the game that I'm honestly not sure we should have had access to, not sure why you're going off about guides and all that. Anyways, my point is that when you step back and look at toram, it's really bad.
    Does it have:
    Good balance of all the skills, roles, and classes in the game: no
    Side quests that are enjoyable: not really
    Enjoyable events: sure, one point
    Endgame content that gives you stuff to do when you're maxed out already: mostly cosmetic that shouldn't be that hard to get
    To rely on impossible rng: big yes, thought they might try to reward players who have shown actual skill, but no
     
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    Because despite of all your critics to the game im here for 3 years and understands it more than you do.
    - started as a tank as main and exclusively played it for 2 yrs on those days nobody cares about the role
    - playing with no guild and all grinds are with randoms
    - free to play and no farmer mage that can be use for easy spina grinds
    - made a full support as 2nd toon and found it more enjoying than my tank

    My point is the game is FREE2PLAY not forcing you to pay/buy orbs. Instead of being grateful that you experienced to play this unique game, you're whining on petty stuffs. Theres no such things as balanced MMO esp this game. The moment they adjust 1 skill, there will be a skill that will trully out perform others depends on to what boss its been used, and to who is using it. And even all skills are very closely balanced, the players progress via gears can make it unbalanced wether in involves legit or illegal means.
    You will just forever blame the devs, the game that it sucks but THE TRUTH IS ITS WE WHO SUCKS.
    Ive been playing mmo maybe since u were born. And so far no game comes close as far as uniqueness, gameplay, customization, etc. So im not buying this devs/games sucks BS and i saw it as a disrespect to the dev's hardwork and generosity theyve shown in this game although everyone are aware majority are just trying to cheat it (monthly TOS violation reports)
    Whats funny is many says its suck but they're still in game playing it that fully contradicts their opinions.
     
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    try aurcus, its funny and p2w
    BUT stills playable and funny
    theres puchito/pettit chronicles too but it inst translated to english
    but if ur are ok with playing in japanese theres celes arca too, celes arca used to be my first mobile mmo
    forgot to say how they are:
    aurcus is like sao or sometin like that, theres a focus system that u can point in mobs/bosses especific areas to do something like shot on the head and do more dmg etc, theres a "infected area" too that mobs keep spawning and they giv a lot more exp and drops(status points are drops) and occour from time to time in random maps
    celes arca is like Final fantasy but with craftable/upgradables weapons and armors(and doing this is rly funny) and theres a lot of cool classes too
    and pettit chronicles i dnt played it too much but it dnt got a class system but u can use a weapon and lv up this weapon and unlock more skills etc
     
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    Ok then, let's say screw all the roles because Toram wanted that apparently.
    There's still heavy dependence on rng for anything good, there's no real way to get any skill advantage especially with the new tank skills, and endgame content (including side quests) is still not that good. I don't believe any of those are "petty". If I can't get a certain item with 24 straight hours of grinding, then maybe there should be another factor besides rng to help out (yes I acknowledge the drop+ books, but those you have to buy or hope you have enough saved up. Also the gems, but they either have to by bought in shop/recycled from a ton of ava and can't be traded or they're the gems that don't do much).
    Maybe it's just me, but I feel like players who have more skill should do better, but don't make things impossible (like, if you can beat a boss that's much higher than you (or the average level of your party), then you should have greater chance of getting good loot. Or if you can beat a hard boss quickly, the better the loot).
    And once I'm a high level and have decent gear, I want to look forward to something more than just more grinding. Sure cosmetic stuff is fine, but they make it so expensive that it's not worth it. The guild maze could be considered endgame, but from floors 1-700 you can own with a lvl 1 character. The dungeon is good, but that's all there is and you can only do it like 5 times.
     
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    I'll consider, thanks for the input.
     
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    Hell Gespenst did not require skill? :eek::eek::eek:

    I cant reccommend much in the mobile market. Most of it are just p2w WOW mental crap. Even the dragon nest world that had beta test few weeks ago, looks very p2w as well. But it has stuff to do besides combat. Most MMO today just sucks, most of it just try to be WOW clones. Then comes the salty community if it aint anything close to their favorites.

    While there are some, youll gonna probably have to dig quite deeper.
    Teon, kinda reminds me of Legacy of Kain or Diablo
    Albion? Not optimized for phone, grindy af.
    Or that 2d 3rd person pixel game thats available for browser
     
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    Teon seems like a mmorpg rage game, it doesn't look bad, but it looks hard af. Kinda doubt my guild would want to move to it, but thanks for input.
     
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    Then we maybe very lucky on RNG boss not casting his sharks in this vid?

    And RNG blessed us here the boss shark blades doesn't annoys our party that much and never cast his global red aoe skills?
     
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