Skill balancing, skill charging viable?

I hope people that comment here actually have a full 2s equip with cap lvl char and at least 200 hours playing certain classes before even mention it is being good or bad.

But cf are so op with easy playstyle or no playstyle at all. Even with 1 hour of playing you will understand it's fully potential.

 

mmm.. another thread about balancing.
omg, why u guys still playing this game?!!

 

Honestly, I don't know.

 

to complain about it yes.

#buffsuzukipbrain

 

I've done some experimenting with this as well, and so far, I haven't been able to make a build that can solo a boss faster than a 2 charge CF user. The only dps that I've noticed is faster than this is snipe + 4 charge CF since it takes almost twice as long to get from 4 charges to 5 as it takes to get from 0 to 4 but you're only doing about 28% more damage in total.

I did some calculations a while back to show the relations between the percentage of the extra damage you get for each charge, and the percentage of extra time it takes to get there. I didn't use constants in these calculations so it may not be exact. (main, add, and decoy refer to the multipliers, and this was with a bow).

Main: 10
Add: 0
Decoy: 0.9
Total: 10.9
Time: infinite% longer (1s, 1s in total)
Extra Dmg: infinite%

Main: 20
Add: 2
Decoy: 1.8
Total: 23.8
Time: 200% longer (2s, 3s in total)
Extra Dmg: 118%

Main: 30
Add: 4
Decoy: 2.7
Total: 36.7
Time: 166% longer (5s, 8s in total)
Extra Dmg: 54%

Main: 40
Add: 6
Decoy: 3.6
Total: 49.6
Time: 125% longer (10s, 18s in total)
Extra Dmg: 35%

Main: 50
Add: 8
Decoy: 4.5
Total: 63.5
Time: 94% longer (17s, 35s in total)
Extra Dmg: 28%

 

Wow, 1hour of playing and you already understand its full potential, devs can't even fix their raffy poop straight for 6 years now, maybe yah should replace suzuki or something


Hey suzuki we know you made our goddess sarah lurk here, hire dis guy now!!

 

here's the thing,bow users has everything the other classes is missing/needed,and they still complains alot.

the skill is not that op but the class itself is too-too perfect and versatile,crossfire is just an extra silver spoon for them,which is ridiculous when you compared it to other classes with horrible ampr and severe weakness to block them from ultilizing their fullest potential.
(asuccbimbo wont even stop adding more severe weakness to these classes in the future btw)

 

Umm, did any of these cf complainers ever spent enough time playing as archer to notice the drawbacks of it?
If not, I'll let you know a few of it.
1. It can miss a lot of time because the target moves faster than your motion of releasing the skill.
2. You cannot spam it like meteor, shining cross,etc.
3. Imagine charging your cf and it got evaded/guarded/miss/damage limit consecutively. You'll need time to recharge. This is why cf does not triumph in ultimate mode btw. Also the lack of physical pierce.
4. To those who said it have unfair ampr, try using cf and spam other skills without doing normal attacks. Decoy won't keep up unless you use mana potion.
5. Also your damage will be shit if you does spam skills instead of prorating.
6. Ever since last year, they have been adding more and more difficulties in boss fights; some launches a skill to a random target, some to the party member at furthest range, some to the lowest aggro. With that cf's high damage is the reward for protecting it from charging.
7. Oh right if aggro is on you, you'll get flinch quite often while releasing cf whilst canceling it.
8. Just try cf on ultimate bkod, zelbuse. Nm finstern and tuscog. Compare it to your favourite build, see which one you prefer and go with it.

Here's my opinion:
What's wrong if archers have higher damage? I mean there's this plague in this community whom always demanding this and that skill to be toned down for no good reason. Someone gotta take charge in cleaning the house. I know for sure in every RPG games there are one class that does better in dealing damage than the rest. Guess which class is that? If not Archer its mage. They're also efficient in potion etc.

Lastly, I have no idea why I'm doing this. I'll just get bashed for my comment here. Because this topic about nerfing everything will not end anytime soon. Also i don't get why people stick with one class while in this game you can play multiple classes. Just switch to other class which suit the terrain better. Have a good day.

 

i agree with the last one, just play other classes, even myself try to make all classes xD

 

Because getting 9 characters to cap takes too long.

But, you're right.

 

I play bow for 200 hours already, that's why i am allowed to complain. Are you?

 

Yes i agree the truth is game is getting harder and harder maybe thats one of the reasons why many are considering cheating and using mods despite of what they claimed they know everything. Many just salty on archers because they know how to utilize their skill more efficiently as far as dmg delivery. Soon more bosses will be added that will test our roles, builds, and understanding in game and even their billions of spina wont help em.
Best of luck to yall.

 

200 hours? 2s gears? I can test a build today, and a different one tommorow all with 2s gears and i don't even need 200 hours...


but even with all this time and resources spent, all that i can say is that at least i've built one build that suits me most... certain builds are better than others depending on the boss, and sometimes there are some bosses that would completely shutdown a certain weapon type... That's why you can never get the "full potential" of something with just 200 hours and a single build...

 

all of the things you just listed affects all other class just as bad,maybe even alot more worse for melees and finale.

i'll just answer it accordingly,with slight quirky remarks in each like a man of culture would do :

Spoiler: 1

1. The skill has an big range,aside from the 12m cast range it travels 100m in a straight line and multi-hits everything in it's path,even if the first hit misses,the next ones might doesn't,this just put it atop all else in a limit dmg battlefield with multiple enemies,it can directly destroy all of them in 1 quick shot,a feat which no other class can easily do.

Spoiler: 2

2. You can spam it,as long as the boss doesn't touch you,and guess what? it barely even touch you.
(this enables you to use many risky buff skills such as God speed wield,Brave aura,Regretless,Kairiki ranshin that others had a hard time ultilize)

-cause of the skill hit-and-run nature,and you are using a BOW,safe distant is always there.

- unless you use meteor or shining cross that required you to stick to the boss arm pit and taking direct heavy dmg for ampr and combos all the time.
(always remember dead dps = 0 dmg dps)

Spoiler: 3

3. Now imagine if you are using Meteor, or SC,and the boss runs away/evasion/guard,you auto lose 500 mp,and now you had an even harder time getting it back cuz the boss just casted spike and you're just a peasant melee

- Do you know about Snipe? armor break from Snipe decrease armor/magic armor -50%,that's equal to +50% physical pierce,it applies to all members.

(also,cf trumphs in all HELL mode so far but not Ultimate? i'm in awe and shocked by such plasphemy)

Spoiler: 4

4. Who the heck spams skill in repeated manner shouldn't be fighting at all in the first place.

- but with only 5 seconds normal atk and decoy shot i can very much recover an entire bar of 2000 mp while using a bow,i'm pretty sure of that.

Spoiler: 5

5. This is true and i cannot argue,it's up to the plebeians out there to figure it out.

Spoiler: 6

6. Even if asuccbimbo put attacks such as aiming for the "furthest" or "lowest aggro".

- it will still comes from the boss itself and will heavily hit whoever is closest to it first (The Melees)

- bow users can very well escape from these attacks since they tend to stay far and has a wider range of the field and better reaction time.(hell empress for instance with the bolls)

Spoiler: 7

7. aggro is on you only if you are lazy for sneak attack.

- you don't get flinch if the boss hit you during charge,only finale works like that,usually just recast it and run again,decoy shot recovered the lost mp in like...4 seconds (i'm writing this with a bruh face)

Spoiler: 8

8. All of those bosses are anti-melee,they fork up melees and finale extremely hard.

- you will most likely die before you can land a hit on them with melee,i believe CF has the least problem in those place (i fight those bosses tons of time i should know)

(again,a dead dps = 0 dmg dps)

no hard feelings bruh,i agree to some of your opinions but i wanted to show some aspects of the truth on how this skill actually executed and affect the bow class to the many types of battlefield.

there will always be controversial in a community,no escaping that,some want this some want that but we aren't the ones changing the game itself,even if we say nerf we don't want it turning into crap at all.

it's the retarded suzuki pee and his rampaging gang,they just make everything bad and expect us to gain 200 IQs from thin air then figured out the mess they made everytime.

#blamesuzukipee

 

Indeed we need to blame suzuki pee

About sneak, it doesnt work when casting decoy and cf, cuz suzuki pee sux...

 

You used your super brain to debunk my points. Sure you can do that, but why? Probably you don't have much experience playing with archer or its just not your favourite class.
1. Cf first hit is the big hit. How long the range of its coverage isn't my point. You hit it or you miss it just like finale. I also remember something, cf got a bug of which the skill stuck in mid-air.
2. Have you tried playing it on noeliel? Or 4th anniv megiston or neo maton?
3. Now this one is funny. Dagger build is the most effective one for hell empress don't you know that?
Of why defensive maneuvers affect cf more than other class is that they have to re-charge and wait/protect it. While other class can spam their skills like half a dozen time on that period you prorate for them.
6. It's not always in form of a linear attack.
7. This here is where i found out your lack of experience playing with archer. Sneak doesn't work however food buffs does. You get aggro if the tank in the party got dc or died or other different reasons.
Flinch while on charging position will only stop it from charging. Flinch cancels your attack when you are in the motion of shooting it and you lost your cf buff.
8. I fair better with melee on those bosses. Yeah finale is undoubtedly very good but katana and dual usually topped the attacker rank.
I wonder what can I say to you to proof that archer does indeed have their own disadvantages too? Cuz you'll just debunk me again and it goes on and on. I know you're smarter than me, but it doesn't mean you have the same experience as I did.

Just ditch the ranking system and this "nerf" plague will be cured.

 

Pro Katana, 2hs, halberd and DS player outclass archer when it comes to dps battle and some events archers are useless and some where archer reigns.only thing archer is good at is mass killing and playing safe. but yea sure cf is OP nerf it.

 

it just works on certain occasions.
I don't see it working quite well during Hell Gespenst.

 

Have you at least tried actually playing all of the classes with enough experience before posting this?

 

Bruh a bunch of useless weebs complaining about nerfing a weapon again lol it started with finale then meteor then tenryu then sc now guess guess cf. Lez do a dps battle bring a tank so you can spam cf and i will show you how worthlessly weak it is.