Storm vs Tempest

So, I've been experimenting with different kinds of farmers.

• Dancer mage:
  • Full INT, 255 LUK
  • I use a Standard Mage Equipment set to farm mobs like Jelly/Nemico.
  • For higher level mobs like Bubble angel and Ivy (etc.), I switch out all the gear for Physical DPS Knux and gear, (without any AGI or STR) and use a Smite combo
    • Slide -> Nature's wonders
    • Slide is fast AF, and it doesn't cause delay if you're already close to mob.
    • I use a sub MD here.
    • My damage is decent, about 10-14k per hit (Annihilator makes stability as low as 60%)
  • The DPS is a finale, and with Annihilator + Brave Aura, I can deal 900k-1 million just with the farming Knuckles.
  • Now, I'm sure I can reach 300 INT and my Smited storm can onehit Blue Bubble.
  • I might be able to reach higher values on Nature's wonders if I refine my Knuckles more.
• Sword Dancer :
  • Out of interest I was wondering how a sword stacks up against these.
  • I don't think Dive impact is efficient against lower level mobs, and I don't like WCOS charging that rapidly, so I needed a physical skill similar to storm.
    • That's naturally Sword Tempest.
  • Now, using STR > LUK has the advantage of increasing Critical Damage, which means higher damage.
  • Sword Tempest is almost as good as Storm on Multiplier, and Critical damage makes them even.
  • The downside is accuracy. Tempest can miss, Storm can't.
  • Another interesting observation was that of the skill Sonic Blade and Super Sonic Blade.
  • Putting the targeting on 'Far', you can essentially spam this skill at lower cost of 2 MP, and OHS has a massive reach with this skill.
  • Paired with Critical damage, since this skill has 100 Critical rate, it can essentially have a Multiplier of 6 for the Super sonic blade variation.
  • I think it's unexplored as a farming skill.
  • Also, when using Nature's wonders for higher level mobs, the low ATK growth from STR really bugs me.
  • Maybe we could switch to Staff Dagger while using Nature's wonders for more ATK.

What do you suggest I do?

1. Continue with the Knux MD build,
2. Make the Tempest Dancer build?

 

Knux MD storm is way better than sword tempest imo.

Tempest doesnt "miss", tempest can get evaded. It's really annoying cuz I've tried it. Tempest unfortunately doesn't have much of a high multiplier on the subsequent DoT ticks so there might be a lot of stuff you'll one shot in your initial hit, and the DoT will leave stuff unkilled. Tempest unlike storm, however has a total of 7 ticks (6 ticks + the initial hit) and the ticks happen faster than storm.

- storm ends AFTER MP charge is done
- tempest's ticks are faster (less time for mobs to respawn so it's slightly less efficient? [testing needed]) and MP charge finishes after the ticks are over, meaning if you don't one hit, you'll end up taking more damage than a storm build where you can just destroy the remaining mobs with imapct.

Sonic Blade and super sonic blade should never ever be considered at all for a farmer because fo the fact it drains MP so quickly. Mobs probably dont respawn fast enough for this to be effective and you're spending a lot of effort trying to not dash into a wall (targetting reapers at ivy) or simply accidentally leaving the area.

DoT's effectiveness while farming is mainly to account for the mob's spawn rate, as well as the fact that you can't have more than 10 selectable to your character (when you hold down action button) in any non-event map. (Miku is an exception)

Storm > Spinning Slash (please have 150+ AMPR so you can spin twice before autoing while triggering lv10 shukuchi [+50 ampr]) > Tempest >>>>>>>>>> Sonic Blade

Dive impact should be tiered separately due to the fact it can do like 60k+ damage for mobs that have increasing amounts of HP.

 

So even Nature's wonders is not a good farming skill? I use it to farm tougher mobs like Bubble angel or Ivy or the event mobs like on Tomte Pavilion.
Since I have no AGI, only INT > LUK, the ATK is less.
Annihilator still stretches that to about 2100+, Brave Aura to 2300+.

Storm can almost onehit Blue Bubble, about 13K, and I hope with 60~ more INT and more xtals on the build (currently NS + S Weapon, non significant xtals on the arm and additional), I can do more damage.

But that's just against water Element, and only upto 15k. That's why I use NW to farm tougher mobs. How else can I increase NW damage? And should I even use it?

Which reminds me, do you think that I can instead hide Dive impact into this INT LUK farmer?

• Halberds have pretty high ATK, and with the right armour and Weapon we can reach 200 Critical damage anyway.
• If refined to high degree, they can reach a lot of ATK, and even more so with ATK% xtals.
• Since they do 60k damage per hit anyway, and Ivy/Pojo have less than 30k health, do you think a STR less Halberd can onehit those mobs?

I thought of using the Sonic Blade because people use the Sunrise arrow skill to farm, and it's linear as well, without multi hit.
So, do you not agree that that's a good farming skill either?

• Case in point : this YouTube comment I received -
• Dive impact is faster than Storm or Blizzard that's why I use Dive Imapct with high cycle and GSW, I've heard that Storm/Blizzard slows down the spawn of mobs, doesn't allow all ten of them to spawn before killing them.
• He was adamant that Dive impact is more efficient than Storm. If that's the case, why not Super sonic blade? You just have to go to a tight location, and wait a second more before using it, not rapidly.
• Since I use Fruhschneid, I went to Red bubble, and the spawning spot is pretty tight.

 

Ohs md farmer here. I chose it because I saw a youtube video said it costs less than having 2 farmer chars (1 storm mage and 1 halberd), and until now i'm pretty content with it. Ofc it's not as effective as the other 2 but since it only need 1 char slot i'm fine with it.

About tempest ticks being faster, I'm not really sure if it is a demerit or not. Mob spawn rate is different between mobs i think, since i've been farming jelly and berylfree these days and I have no problem with the tick being fast (about 2-5 mobs per tick), and as the tick is faster, the skill can be reused earlier, the amount of mobs farmed is also increased a little. Unlike people, though, I used 200 DEX rest STR to increase the tempest multiplier, and the damage of tornado tick is about 2/3 of the bullet damage. The only problem with Tempest is the evasion, and I gotta admit it's really annoying.

Ohs has not-so-high ATK without high budget gears (my ohs md char only have like 2.2k atk) so Tempest may not be able to one hit higher level mobs, but well, we also have Binding Strike.

Basically my farmer can go most of the place: rubbish-damage storm for very weak mobs, tempest for moderate ones with 10k hp or less, and binding for the higher level ones. Still, mob evasions and 4s mp charge maximizer are problems.

 

That's why I'm asking if we can swap out The OHS for higher level mobs with a Staff, because that gives greater STR effect.
We can farm with Staff dagger (Nature's wonders) and the MP Regen is faster too.

 

Yes yes I see what you mean
OHS only gets 2 Atk from Str where Staff gets 3.

Theoretically it may work but you have to consider that you'll need to have a staff with physical DPS stats. If you dont mind buying one just for farming mobs then sure. You can even use the same staff for Physical staff build you want. However idk how easy it will be to sell to others for when you don't want it anymore.

 

In my case, now im using mi pj 255 LUK and 300 INT but i use md/knuckle+md storm and hb with dive impact.

Where Dive Impact have 400 constant/4 multiplier for first hit and the second 0 contant but 6 multiplier + (INT/100) that increase to 9 multiplier.

With 2.4k ATK (enough with hell reaper +S) and Brave Aura can kill ivy and bubble 1HKO.

 

You quoted the wrong post, but I did ask this question earlier, so thanks for answering.

So, we can have only one farmer if we want, instead of two. I was just trying different options.

On another note, I tested Super Sonic wave, on Red bubble with only a +E refined Weapon I could do 14k plus damage. If I have proper refinement and equipment, I think I could oneshot the mobs.
And yeah, the Evade really is annoying.

 

I'm 1hs-md farmer user too, personally I choose it over storm/dive farmer because:
-tempest work same as storm although there's problems such as evasion, but tempest doesn't have cast time and aside from tornado there's also additional first wave that have high damage and aoe
-unlike storm, tempest can farm just fine even if they can't 1hit since it doesn't have cast time they won't get interrupted, with maximizer I can spam tempest 4 times before need to mp chrge
-there also option to use binding strike if I can't 1hit the mobs, it have high damage and good aoe
-and most important is because I can use sonic blade. although its bad compared to dive/storm on usual farming place, sonic blade is the best on widespread mobs place since it can hit up to 24m