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STR or DEX dual Sword?

Discussion in 'Toram Online Class Discussions' started by JDC, Apr 3, 2016.

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What stats do you prefer for your Dual Sword?

  1. Full STR

    7.0%
  2. Full DEX

    51.2%
  3. Full AGI

    14.0%
  4. ALL?

    27.9%
  1. JDC

    JDC Well-Known Member

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    The title says it all, Which do you think is better? FUll DEX or FULL STR...

    Sorry if there is already a topic about this, I can't see threads talking about this so maybe I mislook .
     
  2. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    Question should be.
    STR or AGI.

    Since DW uses the same weapon as a 1h it can use STR or Dex, but since DW is considered as a different weapon, it gains more from dex than it does from STR. Full STR DW is weak tbh.
    Yes yes you get equal power increase in Main hand and Subhand, you get the same cdmg increase as 1h and 2h.

    But your damage output would be low since STR only increases your ATK by +1 instead of +2. So getting 250 STR on a 1h and 250 STR on a DW is completwly different. You only get +250 atk on DW while getting +500 atk on 1h.
    Although your cdmg is the same. The damage you output even with the same skill set as 1h, would completely be different.

    The only viable skill you may use in this matter is Twin Slasg since the skill increases its own cdmg. So by increasing your cdmg from str, you get a higher damage. But the damage you deal on 250 str would be the same as the damage you deal on 150 dex.
     
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  3. JDC

    JDC Well-Known Member

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    Ow.. I get it.. thank you for your info.. I was confused because I was levelling my DW to be ready for the LV 3 skill
     
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    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

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    I don't see y many DW pwefel full Dex,
    On my POV,it's better to full agi and weasons r:
    DW die easily cuz of aoe,they hav squishy life that's y,also cuz the atk animation takes a long time,
    Making an full Dex is good if u want more dmg,however it will be very easy for u to die cuz of aoe and ur squishy life,not a good build unless if u somehow managed to figure out how to cancel the animation of the atk,
    Making full agi is good on my POV and experience since:
    Hard to get hit by boss
    Better survivability
    Not too shabby dmg
    Good tanker(no Rev used)
    Easier to get away from aoe:
    Adding agi increase atk speed, leading to quicker finished auto atk,
    Aftr atk speed exceeds 1k,they will increase animation speed making the auto atk finish quickly allowing easier escape from aoe and even if u didn't make it in time to get out of redzone,ur Eva might also help u evade that
     
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  6. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    Even if you build full agi, it is no better than going full str, because:
    You have no damage, compared to full str, you have low to adequate damage
    It doesn't increase your evasion, only flee.
    Even Brawlers who have max agi tend to get hit very often.
    even if you do have high attack and motion speed, you will not hit very often, causing your attacks to miss and therefore lose aggro which wont make you tank the boss. even skills wont hit that much.
    high constant damage is what also gets aggro, which you cannot do since you will miss alot and you have small damage even if you hit.
    AOEs cannot be always dodged. and most AOEs are magic skills which have higher accuracy compared to physycal skills which gets you hit more often.
     
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  7. ♥♣ IZURUE ♦♠

    ♥♣ IZURUE ♦♠ Well-Known Member

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    Ouch ^w^"
    I'm only writing based on my experience of always getting tank rank when using my full agi dw
    That really hurt,woof
    Lol I'm just saying based on my own experience
    And
     
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  8. Yuta

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    I want to contradict what you said about brawlers getting hit very often. First of all, you seem to be referencing full agi brawlers with no equip whatsoever. I am an agi/crt brawler and I admit my life is squishy right now for a level 66 brawler but my dodge and evasion make up for it. Again I don't have any xtals and my equips are decent equips. In parties though I constantly win attacker title even when I'm the lowest level with mages and swordies in my party. I fought roga yesterday and throughout one battle I tanked him the entire, I was only hit twice with evasion activating like only 3 times but I still won attacker rank in that. I can hit pretty well too considering with the little crt I have. I'm just pointing out that brawlers seem to be underestimated a lot.
     
  9. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    I am talking about DWs here.
    Brawlers have an innate passive that they gain more from AGI than any other class. I too have a brawler.
    What ihave explained is the build of a DW going Full AGI. Which is different from a Full Agi Brawler. The reason a Brawler can tank is because they can lock down bosses withoit having to run around that much. Which a DW on full agi canno do since ghe only interrupt skills they have is Cross Parry and Hard Hit.
    Also DWs have a reduction on the hit stat which makes them hit less often compared to brawlers who do not have an.accuracy reduction.
    I am not underestimating or under rating brawlers. I am pointing out DWs here, and my statement above.
     
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    Innate passive?
     
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    Hmm, I'm not sure about this full agi dw this, but I use full agi for both my brawler and dw. Plus both have godspeed maxed out along with %dodge & +agi equips. The part about having bad accuracy isn't wrong. In the case of my brawler, once agi is maxed, ill start increasing dex. In the case of my dw, i'll start increasing dex/str or just dex.
     
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    But didn't someone already tested about having aspd above 1.5k increasing animation speed?
    On my opinion it's still not worth it the animation speed between 1.5k and 3k aspd is still small to sacrifice dmg for
    and yes DW'a attack takes time, but you can predict the bosses attack to know when to attack or not to
     
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  14. JDC

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    Yep, dont just stand in one place but anticipate the boss.. So having a high ATK speed exceeding some point may just a waste, right?
     
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    BobWasNeverHere Well-Known Member

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    Yup i rather go max dex > agi
     
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  16. eviandmimilka@gmail

    eviandmimilka@gmail New Member

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    would allocating 3 stats be good?
     
  17. Cypherian

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    As for my experience, yes. I am runnin 2 stats right now 150:97. Once i reach 100 agi, i would be doing 100 str for that balanced damage increase and cdmg
     
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    Is essential to put crit stats for DW or Not?
     
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    (Sorry for my inglish)
    Base on my test.. i'm not using pure STR or pure DEX but i'm using mix stats for that i can gain both balance damage from weapon. So that my stat i using STR:AGI: DEX:CRIT at almost balance in ratio 2:1:2:1. This is the latest test i been done until lvl 100. The result from this stats i gain +-650 ATK: +-1100 ASPD : +-250 HIT : +-60% CRIT RATE : +-180% CDMG : +-400 FLEE. By using some xtal n app all can upgrade 10% and for speed also HP using bottle. TOTAL DAMAGE = 90% normal hit is crit damage at ratio 2:4:8, if normal damage at some mob is 200 then my other 90% hit is at crit damage, then it become 400:800:1600. Base on 3 time hit. Twin slash damage is 3000 but if crit damage 6000:12000:18000. But my main attack style is unsheathed atk so i'm using envasion for gain flash slash. Sorry again i don't know how to share picture and video. U all can test it.
     
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  20. Mikos

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    my own opinion is if you a full str i suggest u go with a full eva also cause str deals critic so when its time to do the unsheath atk u dealt high dmg as long as the critic but the problem is it misses much so dats why..and on dex it focuses on skill damage its good but dat is if ur dealing with a high dmg when ur using skill and full dex also added a accuracy i mean no miss but it depends on the monster that u fought and for full agi dual sword agi also deals flee and for the sub weapon the atk so if u wont deal with eva i mean if u dont have eva u dealt miss only but if u do its like more opportunity on evasion cause of high flee,,,and if your dealing all it depends of on ur build hmmm depends on you soo dats my opinion my observation cause im also using dual but still under my construction...i lub to share mine sooo thats my opinion
     

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