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Successful non-shield dps brawler builds?

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Kaisyl, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. Azin.

    Azin. Brawler Enthusiast Elite Member

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  2. AliceYvne

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    Sword-fu basically not consider as a part of knuc build, and it's a old-century build.
    Sword-fu exist before the Martial damage adjust to depend on AGI, nowadays with the raise of AGI-STR build. Pure Knuc is ways more better and deal more damage compare to Sword-Fu.

    If you make some simple calculation with 1H-F(STR+DEX 255) VS KN(AGI+DEX 255), 1H-F only deal additional 5%~10% only compare to Knuc.
    And when come to LEVEL 210 ( STR-DEX 300-255 vs AGI-STR 300-255 ), knuc start overcome 1H-f damage. This become more obvious when AGI stat increase, beside knuc always have high stability and Knuc new OP weapon not yet release ( ignore tonfa, ignore tonfa, ignore tonfa).
     
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    Knuckle Mage... Okay imma shut up now. orz
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Depends, bunch of various dps skills are just redundant. You need to build around 1 main dps skill to focus on optimizing your damage to compensate that str loss. I suggested resonance and ether flare because it supports your main dps skill, that is in the mp recovery. Getting chariot+gattling+rush is just a waste of skill points
     
  5. Kaisyl

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    If I build for knuckle, I wanna build AGI+DEX. Knuckle also has one problem in that they cause bosses to unleash some particularly nasty reactions which when playing solo can be fatal.

    Sword fu has the benefit in that you can use non-ailment high damage skills as well as ailments for annoying non-reactive bosses. The damage fall off isn't as severe too considering the ATK and CD growth 1h swords have.

    Basically, as a solo-er, the more versatility along with high damage is the best option. Hopefully crusher skills and t4 assassin makes it worth it going pure knux but I doubt it.

    As a sword fu, I have:
    - Ranged self healing, though small
    - Invincibility frames (Meteor breaker)
    - Ranged DPS (Buster and Chariot)
    - High DPS (Combining Buster and Rush)

    Whereas with pure knux:
    - Each combo has to be especially tailored to the boss due to ailment reactivity
    - Innate low damage and hard to obtain pierce in game means they would be spamming a single combo nearly forever
    - Has both ranged and close DPS (Chariot and Rush)
    - Not good AMPR
    - No defensive skills beyond Chakra which can actually get you killed solo.

    Unfortunately, for sword fu to be at maximum effectiveness, it needs a tri-stat build (STR, DEX and AGI, STR = CDMG and ATK, DEX = ATK and AGI = Skill multipliers) which means it clashes with Sword + Dagger.
     
  6. AliceYvne

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    It's not necessary go for 100% pure knuckler because this is free classes mmorpg.

    For ailment problem, If you go for Knuc-Dagger, there is 2 dagger that have tumbler unavailable and flinch unavailable, this will allow knuc-dagger overcome the problem you mention and can switch back to angel-dagger to raise your damage on those none-ailment sensitive mob. If you go for Knuc-MD, you have 7m attack range so can just spam chariot from far side safely without worry on impact touching the boss, Holy-Fist, Reflex and GSW can be a good Combo-Started.

    For AMPR side, Knuckler difficult to increase their AMPR is correct, but this is because they have High ASPD and this make them can launch 2 hit compare to other. So basically if you have 50 AMPR it's already can be consider as 100 AMPR. Another MP recover skill like Assassins' skill back step recover 100MP at level 10 when equip with dagger(with some t&c, but not sure) , with skill Quick draw you basically you can spam 0MP back step for MP saving and evade purpose. Put Arcane strike at the end of skill combo with SAVE tag allow you to cast 0MP Arcane strike and immediately teleport to backside of the mob, this help us dodge some mob skill and grant you another 25 AMPR, also is a good tactical defensive skill. Chakra is still good when battle the boss with Huge AOE skill, if you have 1K CSPD, 1.5 second is enough for your to cast a protection on you and Team to prevent instant kill.Knuc-MD ? Resonance, Mana-Charge, Maximize done.

    Defensive skill like mention above, backstep, arcane strike and chakra is one of the option. Elegant poise good as well, yes it's may not like meteor break and P.DEF that can 100% remove the damage but it's do not require difficult timing control. I seen lot of YouTube video, sometime they will have a problem on catching the timing to release PDEF and Meteor and this make them hurt badly. Assault is another tactical defensive skill also.

    I won't say 1H-fu is bad but it's no doubt is a old-century build. 1H no longer gain much benefit on using sub-Knuckler, i'm afraid BG-fu can deal more damage compare to 1h-fu.
     
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  7. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    BG Fu? How?
     
  8. AliceYvne

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    Detail I not sure, but basically is same like 1h-fu.
    BG with DEX255 having same Damage with 1H STR255+DEX255, but BG gain no damage from STR so both still is the same
    Survivality is quiet bad compare to 1H-F but can have secure attack from far range and gain full beneficial from DECOY.
     
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    But its still really reliant on range as there is cross fire to consider unless you plan on stun locking the boss and relying on flee and evasion (currently rng mechanics) to help maintain cf.

    Snipe is good for consistent ranged dps and the lethargy arrow/bolt is garbage dps and proc rate.

    Any build with bg and decotly shot gaurentees fast mp recovery but bg itself or rather the whole shot skill tree needs some adjustments...
     
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    Quick draw won't activate for non dmg skill. Even skill like impact need to hit for chance to activate quick draw. Another condition is the skill need to actually cost mp. So mid combo skill that doesn't cost mp won't activate quick draw too.
     
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    I'm using this build, i don't like str tbh.
     
  12. Isra

    Isra Cock and Ball Torture Elite Member

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    Then you're not DPSing.
    Dex is so bad you may as well forget its a stat on knuckles. Agi + STR because STR has Crit Damage. And that better that 1 attack every 4 dex and leagues better than Acc/Hit stat

    To answer the OP:
    Yeah, ofc there is. Use daggers. The shield is for Survivability since Pdef is easy access "do not kill" button
    However, Elegant Poise can be used if youre feeling risky.
    Whats the difference between daggers and shield?
    You get a few more skills and better ampr or something? Honestly doesnt make a difference, knuckles DPS is an oxymoron in and of itself
     
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    Isra Cock and Ball Torture Elite Member

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    You'd have to show the paper proof but comparing my Sword-fu to my friends Knuck+Shield at the 185 cap, the difference was my 900k chariot and his 600k. That's a lot more than 10%, and we were both running 2 slotted gear, dps oriented.

    And in future caps? Yeah no, wanna know why Sword-fu wins?
    Attack from STR
    You have that, you beat all variants.
     
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    LOL I USE KNUCKLE AND STILL ATTACKER RANK ;):notlikethis:
     
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    Funnily enough, i'm doing all this on my Pure backstabbing Brassassin. The AMPR is pretty good when your char has 8k+ aspd, especially on knuckle as its auto-attack animation is way faster than a DW's. There's also shukichi which will give you another 25 AMPR on the 1st dash-in auto attack. My FUNbuild deliberately doesn't use impact/decoy/finale ender (too overused), so still trying to keep up with decoy/impact-DPS spammers. Adding Kairiki next for another 20ampr boost (but buff only 10s rip + needs Serum buff to counter the ignite), and then possibly Mail Breaker (10% chance for +100% ampr) later on too. :D
     
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