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Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Zephyr666, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. BK

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    Yus! Even i sometimes dnt use combos, just go in and tk spam, but u do need the mp for it and it can win attacker against halberds on runs that only take like 10secs
     
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  2. Cypherian

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    But we're talking about brawlers. The Way DW utilizes ASPD is different the way Brawlers utilize aspd the same way different classes Utilize ASPD. DW skills are slow. Auto attacks, Phantom Slash, Charging Slash. Etc. It. Is. Slow.

    Brawler skills however are not on that level of animation and delay. Based on tests, Tempest animation and Heavy Smash animation is the same on a non boosted level. So i doubt having high aspd and motion speed will make a difference.

    Plus the way skills are used whether its meant to be slow or better off boosted is totally different.
     
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  3. Zenki

    Zenki ゼンキー Elite Member

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    You still fail to realize that these are 2 completly diffrent builds and use diffrent play styles, your pretty much claiming that atkspd on any build means faster dps
     
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  4. Zephyr666

    Zephyr666 Well-Known Member

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    I do in fact! Nice to see other people who dont use combos often. Sometimes, while they're starting their combos, im able to land Armor Break, and dual cast Heavy Smash (even throwing in a few auto attacks in between all that). Its almost as if my build can use a preemptive strike, of sorts. I DO of course have an emergency combo, for breaking, not dps.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Y'all gotta admit though, because of his high ASPD & comboless build, he would be able to move out of the way of pretty much every red/blue area attack.
     
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  6. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    And with what zenki said, you are implying that more aspd = more motion speed = more dps. But not in the case of snipes where Snipe is a skill casted and based on Power Charge, the same way MP Charge is. The case of Phantom Slash on a DW however is that you sacrifice the Invulnerability time from Phantom Slash for a faster means of execution.
    In a different case for a brawler. Agi alone is enough for a brawler to build motion speed from aspd. Then focus on either being tanky or dps.
     
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    Zephyr666 Well-Known Member

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    I never rly thought about that til now, but never once have i ever gotten killed because i was mid combo. A great perk, i would say.
     
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    Zephyr666 Well-Known Member

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    Very true!
     
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    Zephyr666 Well-Known Member

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    Oof that is also true. When I said that I was refering to most melee builds. There are exceptions, that is a fact.
     
  10. Zenki

    Zenki ゼンキー Elite Member

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    Im just disapointed in the fact that people give up going the dps path with brawlers and decided to go for pure utility because they like the class and still wanna play, we need more dps brawlers to teach people to fear there fists, people who go utility are the reason everyone thinks brawlers are weak, when they can become a feared class, to each there own i guess
     
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  11. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Tbh, utility is fun in of itself too. Like, if you want to heal a lot with Mini Heal, you don't have to have a lot of hp because you can use it a lot, same thing for other skills.
     
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    Do you not understand. Im not trying to make DPS out of these measly level 3 skills. I wanna go DPS, and I will once we reach level 4. Level 3 skills will become outdated. Dont assume that your build is the godhand deck of all Brawlers, when really, you're build is way too rigid, and stiff. You're supposed to mix up raw power with versatile utility. That way, when we reach lvl 150, you'll rise above all. Get it now?
     
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    Zenki ゼンキー Elite Member

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    I know, hence the "to each there own" and we probably wont even get lvl4 skills till next year, and i dont think my build is a godhand, @BlackRex beat me in a 1v1, i jst wanna see more people make high dps brawlers so we can gather, help eachother improve and kick the other classes asses
     
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    Yeah i watched the whole thing, there was nothing statistically significant about a single run.

    Run it 30 times for each build, and see. What's the mean time for each build, and are the means statistically different, in that aspd at a p-value explains the difference in times among all the variables.

    The bosses and the series of attacks all differed.
     
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    Yess exactly, so the best we can do is wait.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    It should take ~7 updates (not counting bug fixes & events) for the 150 cap, since the level cap is usually raised by 5 every other update, and we recently had the one that didn't raise the level cap.
     
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    Vedar777 Well-Known Member

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    It's official, it's become a flame war
    Everyone knows the Colon Pendant + death colon barefist build is the strongest. So stop bragging, you can't even solo EX arena in under a minute without revitas, using no combos.
     
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    You're.. you're right..
    im quitting toram.
     
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    Hmmm this no-combo build could be an answer to easily beating delicate bosses like Nurethoth and Jade without acquiring a steeplejack talisman to prevent tumble since impact isn't being used.
     
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    Always been that way for me, since I have access to a ton of breaks and debuffs, being comboless has allowed me to decide when and where to break and stuff like that. Very versatile build i would say.
     
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