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Szchev's guide for your affordable yet optimized DW AMPR build: New experience ahead

Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by メScye, Feb 18, 2017.

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  1. メScye

    メScye Well-Known Member

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    Hello guys it's me again and today I wanna share this guide to all of you and I hope that this guide will be your helpful reference.

    (PS: I've never been the best in any way (DPS, Utility, Defensive playstyle wise), I'm just me sharing what I've experienced as a DS main.)

    I've been a Dual Wielder main for 11 months now, been testing a lot of classes tho (2H, Halberd, Staff fu etc.) and I chose to be a Dual Wielder just to challenge myself. Other classes are naturally strong, some classes are even strong even if some players built it poorly. But Dual sword in the other hand, is like a puzzle in my eyes, There's something wrong which is kinda obvious, its their inability to do above average to insane amount of damage in a short period of time. TL : DR, not a Burst~y damage dealer. Now I'm here to share some basics and hoping to help you optimize your own build.

    Basic optimized AMPR approach for new and veteran players:

    • For new players here, AMPR a.k.a. Attack MP recovery is a stats that will help you regain MP by just doing auto attacks. In DW, auto attack procs 2x, so some of the players in this game tend to abuse that calculations to push their advantage upwards.

    • AMPR's advantage is hidden, wanna know what AMPR build really is? AMPR build is a build that sacrifices 10% - 20% damage output from offensive xtals in exchange of 100% assurance to dish out endless +50% short smited combos. The best logical way to explain why Dual sword skill tree doesn't have Burst~y type of skill, because AMPR users will abuse it. AMPR build is difficult to master, because this build doesn't rely on save tag, long combos, double/triple smited combos and combo fillers, this build relies on Proration, smite tag, swift tag, short combos and auto attack cancelling.
    (PS: Use it at your own risk.)


    Ok so let's start for the most basic equipments: (from the most affordable yet optimized)

    Main sword: "use your best sword here!" Refine as high as you can but beware, weapon can only be strong in a short period of time, not like armors, additional gears and special gears. +C to +B is good. +A is great. +S is hmm .. so Great yet so expensive, do it at your own risk. Attack, Critical rate and Critical damage is your go to stats. (DEX stats for weapon if you're a full DEX built.) Go gamble ATK CDMG DEX 777% If you like.

    Sub-hand sword: this sword is your "Older Brother" that will support you depending on your build. You can go for more concentrated damage output by abusing highest current stability swords. (Today's highest stability swords are Xmas sword which is limited or a phyto blade from grass dragon yelb.) You can add elements if you will use Dual sword skill actives as one of your damage sources. (Phantom slash in the other hand is not going to be affected by any elements.) Or you can go for a tomahawk, same highs, lower lows skill wise. High auto attack damage output. Refine it if you want. +C is good.

    Armor: Any armor with a stats of critical rate like CDMG7% or DEX 7% then CDMG11 CRATE 11 CRATE 11%. If you're greedy for damage, you can go CDMG7% DEX 7% CDMG 11. ATK is not recommended, you can still go for ATK stats if you're too greedy. Any def is not gonna be a problem as long as the armor is refined in a minimum of +C. If you can afford 2slots adventure garb, go for it. If not, don't worry, I can still help you optimize your AMPR build in a cheap way.

    • Additional gear: you have 2 options here which will affect your armor xtal. Forehead protector +1,500HP or Two-Headed snake crown +4 AMPR and +200MP. If you can afford 2slots ear cuff, 2slots magic scarf, 2slots Brutal dragon crown, 2slots ear muff or 2slots crystal earrings +100MP and +1AMPR or +300MP, go for it. If not, don't worry.

    • Special gear: I recommend you to buy 2slots mistletoe talisman. If you can afford 2slots Potum talisman, Warrior's bangle or better than those 2, go for it. If not, don't worry.

    Xtal choices:

    Main weapon: Pillar golem, Moonlight potum, Zega or Silver roar is your way to go. Pillar golem is your best choice. If you have 2slots sword, you have 3 options. Ganglef if you're a full dex and seeking to boost your damage by just a little, Zega for AMPR and HP or go for full +8AMPR from silver roar. I recommend Zega as your 2nd xtal.

    Armor: If you have 1slot armor and you're using forehead protector, your armor xtal should be either Jade Raptor or Silver roar. Sure this will be depending on your budget. Jade raptor is your best choice here because of +300MP and no negative, but both xtal gives the same amount of AMPR for DW.

    If you have 1slot armor and you're using two-headed snake crown, your armor xtal should be Boss Roga.

    If you have 2slots armor and you're using forehead protector, your 2nd xtal should be Silver roar but if you're seeking for a little boost damage wise, you can go between cerberus or metal stinger. I recommend silver roar for your first option, and cerberus for your second option.

    If you have 2slots armor and you're using Two-headed snake crown, your 2nd optimal xtal choices should be either Jade raptor or Silver roar.

    Additional gear: if you're using 1slot forehead protector or two-headed snake crown, your optimal xtal choice should be either silver roar or pumpking. If you have 2slots of what I've said in additional equipment section, your xtal choice should be silver roar and pumpking.

    Special gear: If you're using 1slot DEX talisman III, your optimal xtal choice should be either eerie xtal or Shining gentleman. I recommend you to buy 2slots mistletoe talisman and put either eerie xtal, shining gentleman or silver roar.

    • Stats: either go for base 100STR for stability, cdmg and attack and go full ham for DEX until 255 or put some crit for consistency purposes. You can go for your preferred stat allocation tho. Any stats between DEX, STR, and AGI (and some CRT) are acceptable.

    Skill distribution: All upto you TBH. But I can give you one of my builds right here right now and use it as your reference.

    Pure DW build: Phantom slash

    Blade:
    • Hardhit 5
    Astute 10
    Trigger slash 10
    Sword mastery 5 upto 10
    = 30 /
    35

    DS:
    DS mastery 10
    • Twin slash 5
    Spinning slash 10
    Phantom slash 10
    • Charge/parry 10
    Shadowstep 7 upto 10
    DS control 10
    • Godspeed 10
    = 72 / 75

    Battle:
    Attack up 10
    Whack 5 upto 10
    Critical up 10
    = 25 / 30


    Survival:
    • Safe rest 5
    HP boost 10
    = 15

    142 / 155 skill points if maxed all listed above.
    Extra skill point placements are all upto you. You can use the 142 version and add impact in it. Impact should be lv.7 only just for instant cast. 142 + 22 = 164. Then add combo fillers such as Flash stab or Holyfist. Then add MP charge if you want.

    (PS: AMPR build is not expensive. Actually, this specific build is so fun and has huge potential in the future. Use this at your own risk tho.)
     
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  2. Cypherian

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    Option to Add Element to Sub Weap should be there also. Coz in most cases, if you don't use Phantom Slash/Tempest as a main DPS Skill and use Twin/Spin/XParry/Charging Slash as DPS, Element works on sub and most of the time out damages Tomahawk. Which is a good option for players who can't immediately get a Tomahawk.
    Plus they don't really need good stats on sub if they don't have tomahawk because you just need enough pot to get the element stat. and refine it high enough.
     
  3. メScye

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    "• Sub-hand sword: this sword is your "Older Brother" that willsupport you depending on your build. You can go for more concentrated damage output by abusing highest current stability swords. (Today's highest stability swords are Xmas sword which is limited or a phyto blade from grass dragon yelb.) You can add elements if you will use Dual sword skill actives as one of your damage sources. (Phantom slash in the other hand is not going to be affected by any elements.) Or you can go for a tomahawk, same highs, lower lows skill wise. High auto attack damage output. Refine it if you want. +C is good."

    I think I said that too but I disregard elements towards boosting phantom slash's damage output
     
  4. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    oh sorry didn't see that. i'm too sleepy and just skimmed through.
     
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    メScye Well-Known Member

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    It's alright. No worries.
     
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    Best choice for add gear xtal? Got 1 slot two-headed snake crown.
     
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    Either go for Silver roar or Pumpking depending on your budget. Go for Silver roar if you're confident enough to sacrifice another -8% HP on top of two-headed snake crown's -9% VIT in exchange of having more AMPR. Go for Pumpking if you're aiming to save some HP while still gaining a decent amount of AMPR.
     
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    Maybe i'll just go sacrifice -8% hp. Can i also ask some semi-burst combo? thanks
     
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    Semi burst combo for DW? Hmm .. this combo needs high critical ratio tho. Don't worry, Twin slash's internal critical damage multiplier is so high. This is just one, There's so many semi-burst combo setups out there.

    • Without Impact, Phantom slash and Tempest (No flinch/tumble combo) you can use this for almost every monsters out there as this skill doesn't have status ailments that can trigger their negative behavioral reaction(s):

    1.
    Astute > Spinning slash *Swift > Shadowstep *Cons > Twin slash *Smite > Trigger slash *Cons
    =
    400MP

    2. Flash stab > Astute *Smite > Trigger slash/Shadowstep *Cons > Twin slash *Smite > Trigger slash/Shadowstep *Cons

    (Choose between Trigger slash and Shadowstep depending on the situation or boss' behavior. If you think the monster is slow, Trigger slash before using Twin slash is way better because of that Motion speed boost.)

    = 500MP

    But ..

    DPS is always better if you use Tempest. I cannot recommend Phantom slash if you're seeking for bursty combos, Maybe DPS but not burst because the skill is so slow to the point that it contradicts the true essence of burst which is to deal damage in a short period of time.

    Tempest in the other hand, is so strong yet you need enough knowledge on when to execute it properly to maximize its damage output including its ticks which is very powerful if you're using One-handed sword as your main weapon.

    DW will be stronger tho, after they release the patch for blade skill tree's changes.
     
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    Thanks! noted. Yea i'll save some points for the new update.
     
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    Alright, no problem and goodluck!
     
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    Is it worth to invest lvl 10 on rampage? Have u tested it yet? Thanks! ^^,
     
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    Can you give me DPS Combo.... i don't know how to build combo for DW.
     
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    I haven't tested the skill to it's peak tho I certainly think that the skill itself provides significant amount of potential for your character's utility. The skill needs mastery to abuse it to its full potential. In short, the effectiveness of this skill depends on how a player uses it.
     
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    How about including Spirit Tree Bangle into your guide?
    It's 5 AMPR, has Additional Magic (extra proration) AND can come out 2s naturally.
     
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    Does the "additional" attacks actually prorate? Or are they just dependent on ATK/MATK? As far additional dmg from aggravate and hidden arm goes it doesnt give extra proration.
     
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    Yes that with eerie is the highest budget special gear that can provide the most AMPR. The special gear just came out and I made this guide a couple of days ago so .. anyway, If you're seeking for more reliable stats such as resistances%, atk/matk%, crit damage% and willing to sacrifice +4 AMPR in exchange of these stats, 2slotted mistletoe talisman + eerie and SG is still the better choice.
     
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    I did feel a difference in proration when using Twilight Dagger. Maybe it's my imagination. Anyway, worth testing.
     
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    Hi! Can you post a combo with Phantom Slash. Thank you!
     
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    Does Phantom Slash do more damage with 255 str than 255 dex?
     

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