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The Infinite Mana Sniper

Discussion in 'Toram Online Class Discussions' started by Precaria, Dec 24, 2015.

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  1. Alleura

    Alleura Well-Known Member

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    Of course. this is not a thing that can be called as infinity, literally.
    But to bait more people, the word "infinite" is important for promoting a guide :D

    The mp usage is near infinity tho. As long as you do 2-3 normal attack every each combo.
    so it's fine for me to call it infinite ;)
     
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  2. Saphos

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    You use 100mp with this combo.

    You have a 30% chance to gain that mp back. So average, 3mp and you can cast 4 times. If you have 9mp bars, that's 12 combo executions. If by then the target is still alive, you have problems other than mp to worry about.

    To be able to use a 400mp skill 12 times, not taking into account any AMPR with auto attacks in between... As far as skills usage is concerned, it pretty much lives up to the name 'infinite'.

    Try add sober analysis if you are still not happy with this, but I back Precaria 100% on this one. Whether you like it or not, it changed the way a lot of people use their combos.
     
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  3. Rkerts

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    how the combo for 1mp smited snipe for a non "impact skill" bowgun user
     
  4. Precaria

    Precaria Precariø ♂ Retired IG Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor

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    With Smoke Dust (500mp).
    Mana saver combo would go: Moeba > Smoke Dust (save) > Snipe (smite) > Bullseye (consec) OR Smash (swift) for closers.
     
  5. +_khio_+

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    how come 1mp?..my combo is like yours
    Moeba > impact (save) > Snipe (smited) > Bull (consec)..?????
     
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  6. dawne

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    think you didn't get what she meant, she meant that the skill after smited snipe would not cost any mp. the whole combo is 1mp in total
     
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  7. LINK

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    Precaria devo add pontos em crit?
    E se eu add quantos pontos add em dex e crit
     
  8. Precaria

    Precaria Precariø ♂ Retired IG Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor

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    Pode adicionar um punto em crt por cada 3 puntos em dex, o fazer full dex e depois começar com crt. Lá decisão é sua.
     
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  9. Azery

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    I want to build a snipe character but i don't know what equipment is the best for snipe.can u suggest for me? :)
     
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    Thanks for this guide! I'm starting to build my sniper that can break bosses more efficiently bec I'm having a hard time doing it with my lowbie mage atm, have to rely on luck & parties for goodies lol!
     
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  11. Caskadia

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    Hello precaria,
    If you have the time, I'd like to experiment with my tanks against your infinite mana build. This is so I can see if my tank aggro generation builds can out aggro your combos.
     
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    Precaria Precariø ♂ Retired IG Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor

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    I saw your tank thread before this comment so, I suggested on there someone that I know generates lots of aggro using 1mp combo. I usually stick to the 4mp combo and only use the 1mp if my mana is under 3mp. On the vid I could spam it without getting aggro because my party tank was provoking and using support buffs. But I don't do this on bosses, I prefer to have attacker and let someone else get tank rank so the party is more balanced.
     
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  13. Keliori

    Keliori Well-Known Member

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    I'm a newbie and trying to do 1mp combo but failed :D

    This is what I did:
    Moeba > Bullseye (save) > Power Shot (swift/smite)

    The 3rd skill always cost me mana, and 3rd skill with swift variant actually cost more than with smite.

    Please help :(
     
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    smited skill has to be followed by another skill to cease double mp usage.
    try to put another 1mp skill with consecutive after ur smited skill.
     
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    btw @Precaria, I'm wondering whether proration effect still takes place even if impact doesn't hit target? we're shooting from afar after all
     
  16. Keliori

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    I understand how it works now. Thanks
    I dont have much skills to choose atm, saving SP for later. Only have:
    - Lv5 Power Shot
    - Lv5 Bullseye
    - Lv10 Moeba
    - Lv5 Paralyze Shot

    And following combos work best for me:
    Combo 1: For better DMG output
    Moeba > Paralyze (save) > Bullseye (smite) > Power shot (swift)

    Combo 2: For better survability soloing Boss
    Moeba > Paralyze (save) > Power shot (swift) > Bullseye

    Regarding to your question about proration effect. IMO it wont take place if doesn't hit enemy, but considering impact has 10m range I doubt it would miss since your enemy already close enough to you at the moment impact takes its turn.

    I have similar question regarding Smash. It only has 2m range. I guess it would miss most of time. Unless the enemy really close to us. Am I wrong?
     
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    DansAway Well-Known Member

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    impact has 10m radius even when we're not using MD? ow okay
    regarding smash, it won't be executed if u're not at required range. this way smash can be ur utility for fast combo sequence,

    ie: moeba > snipe (smite) > smash (consecutive)

    ^this way after snipe ur combo gonna stop, n only will be continued to smash if u move toward target until the desired range (2m or less). u can touch normal atk instead or another combo starter after snipe to cancel smash.

    EDITED: my apologies. I never tried melee skills with archer, so I dunno if it works the same like brawler (with martial skills ofc) where u can move ur char mid combo when target is out of skill range. but I assume it is the same, since we're talking about smash which is martial skill. while blade skills combo will have ur char chase the target automatically if it moves outside skill range.
     
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  18. Precaria

    Precaria Precariø ♂ Retired IG Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor

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    10m...?
    Impact can has an AOE of
    3 meters but can be activated from 24 meters afar if the target is already locked.

    Smash with knuckles activates if you're 2 meters away from the target, without knuckles is 1 meter.
    This permits us instant mobility after the snipe, you decide whether approaching to flinch, auto-attack or re-snipe.

    You don't need impact to hit the target, its just an extra for proration to occur. Auto-attacks before sniping are more important.
     
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  19. Keliori

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    Thanks! I learnt alot about game mechanism from this single post
     
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  20. DansAway

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    so impact still helps with proration even if it doesn't hit? sorry I still don't get it lol
    I do understand that impact helps with proration also mana utilization for melee dps since impact does hit the target.
    I thought impact in ur build is just for mana utilization only
     

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