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[Theory Build: Force Brawler] Agi Heavy Smash + Shell Break without triple kick

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Little Potum, Jul 30, 2016.

  1. Little Potum

    Little Potum Well-Known Member

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    This a quick idea for a heavy smash and shell break no triple kick agi/dex build. Trust me when I say this build is fun it completely takes advantage of Aggravate and Strong Chase skill to the max. Also with the new update to Shell Break and Heavy Smash skills this can be a random power house. Be careful this build can be a bit crazy like winning the lotto. This is a theory build as it takes more points then what is available, it will technically be completed by level 150. I think someone was calling this build Force Brawler.


    Heavy Smash + Shell Breaker
    Aka Force Bralwer Build

    Full Agi 255 then Dex

    Martial
    *Smash lvl 10
    Bash lvl 5
    Shell Break lvl 10
    Heavy Smash lvl 10
    Sonic Wave lvl 10
    **Earth Bind lvl 1
    Martial Mastery Lv 10
    Martial Discipline Lv 10
    Aggravate lvl 10
    Strong Chase lvl 10
    = 96 points

    *smash lvl 10 if not then spike dagger lvl 10
    **earth bind lvl 1 if not then assault attack lvl 1

    Magic
    Magic Arrow lvl 5
    Magic Javelin lvl 5
    Magic Lances lvl 5
    Magic Impact lvl 7
    Magic Charge lv 1
    = 23 points

    Survival
    Safe Rest lv 5
    HP Boost lv 10
    Fighter's High lv 1
    Short Rest lv 5
    Mp Boost lv 10
    Sober Analysis lv 1
    = 32 points

    Battle
    Attack Up lv 10
    Smash lv 5
    Critical Up lv 10
    = 25 points

    Priest
    Holy Fist lvl 1
    =1 points

    Theory Combos
    Smash (Earth Bind) > Impact > Shell Break > Sonic Wave (Holy Fist)
    Sonic Wave (Holy Fist) > Impact > Hard Smash
    Impact > Hard Smash
    Or
    Smash (Holy Fist) > Impact > Hard Smash > Shell Break

    Notes: There are a crazy amount of combos with this build just make sure you're using Shell Break in some way to gain mp heal and to get Guard Break for Heavy Smash bonus.

    Possible Xtals
    Eerie Crystal : atk mp recovery+5 (Purple)
    Minotaur : hp+5% , aspd+10% (Blue)
    Ganglef : atk+3% , dex+2% , aspd+1% (Red)
    Warmonger : crit rate +6 , crit dmg+2 (Yellow)
    Pillar Golem : mp+300 , short range damage +3% , physical pierce+3% (Red)
    Shining Gentleman : Attack MP Recovery+3 , Atk+1% , Matk+1% , Critical Damage+1% (Purple)
    Grass Dragon Yelb : Long Range Damage-10% , Atk+3% , Attack Speed+50% (Yellow)
    Boss Roga : hp+1000 , weapon atk+1% (Green)
    Ooze : atk+2% ,matk+2% , def+2% mdef+2% (Purple)
    Giant Boar : short range damage+1% , hp+50 , mp+50 (Yellow)
    Forest Wolf : dodge+6 , evasion+2% (Blue)

    Red=weapon Purple=Special Gear Blue=Normal Green=Armor Yellow=Additional Gear

    How This Build Is Used In Battle
    Force Brawler will 40% attack normal and 60% use combos. You'll want to attack normal as much as you to gain your mp. Do not string your combos one after another as it will kill your Heavy Smash numbers. Give space by attacking 4 to 5 times then execute combo. Since your pure agi this can happen rather fast. When a natural Guard Break happens from Strong Chase use Impact > Heavy Smash.

    You can also 90% attack normal wait for natural Guard Break from Strong Chase then use any combo with Heavy Smash. If you do this you will get Heavy Smash bonus but not mp heal bonus.

    Personal Thoughts
    Currently my Force Brawler is level 57 and I am loving the build. I am test it against a Staff Fu build at the same level at the moment. I am running them on the same Bosses at the same level. From what it looks like Force Brawler can perform a Staff Fu by quite a lot. Even on bosses with high guard. I am curious on how Force Brawler build will end game as it's a beast right now. Also hopefully brawler will get a dex or agi boost if so this build will rock.

    Update: I'll be trying to level to 80 to do a proof of concept. Hopefully I'll do a short video on how the build works if I can get an iSO screen recorder.


     
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  2. RyeUshio

    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    I don't know why they call it a "Force Brawler" but it seems like a regular brawler to me without triple kick.

    Keep it up though, this is a dps after all. ^_^
     
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  3. Caithe

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    very nice :)
    aggravate really giving much more flexibility instead relying on shell break alone, which is only pure brawler can do ;)
     
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  4. BK

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    I would lose the sober analysis because its pretty useless imo, get instant autos for better ampr, also if u dnt want ur hs to lose alot of dmg add more magic in ur combo, i did have a build like this without triple kick and taking advantage of strong chase atk but i reset it because the dmg was too low for my liking, now i use bg and knucks taking advantage of sb and hs now i dnt really lose dmg when doing multiple hs
     
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  5. Little Potum

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    @BK. I am not quite sure how I can add more Magic since there is no other instant cast Magic. But I'll play around with the idea. At my low level I don't find the damage bad but it's more random. Like you have very lucky with hitting the Guard Break and get 10k. But that's kind of the fun of this build it heavy relies on timing and using your attack to build up to a Guard Break. Also I love people's reaction when you pull off a chunk of damage from a boss.

    @RyeUshio I know right. When I was putting this together and now playing it, I feel like this how a Brawler should normally play. It's quite a fun build. I think it's called Force Brawler because your heavily relying on Guard Break to give you a bonus. It's completely hard to do. You have to attack normal for a while then use your combos as this build is not a combo spammer. So some people may find this build hard to use since you have to sit there and attack for sometime.
     
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    Javelin is instant cast tho it just has a slower motion time than impact, and that 10k was either guard or due to my stability (guard can still happen even when guard break is active) but marchie13 has this build tho cant remember if he uses tk or not but its pretty good
     
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    @BK. Oh nice, Javelin is also an instant cast as well. I'll have to play with that in my combo set to see how I can get it work. Also I didn't know enemies could guard even after they are Guard Broken that explains a lot.
     
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    Heres Marchies03 Force Breaker, this is ur build in the future :p
     
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  9. Little Potum

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    @BK. Oh sweet someone else is working on it! Looks amazing. I am so excited by that video. Even has the same combos :eek: It proves it can work! I wounder if I can pick Marchies03 brain on the build being used.
     
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    Uh huh, I got the picture. Force is a better term than labored and thus the name of the build came.

    On higher level I suggest you get triple kick for highly evasive bosses and mini boss, especially during ultimate runs. ^_^
     
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  12. Little Potum

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    @RyeUshio It's not too bad it just a different way of thinking of fighting. Since high agi brawlers can easily avoid attacks and your attack speed is high. Turn around of Guard Break is actually quick. Also by auto attacking you'll get Breaker rank when in a party you'll also pick up Tank rank in some parties because of high arrgo. I am not sure triple kick is needed but I'll play with the idea to see how it can be worked in.
     
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    Yes I understand, your point regarding a different way if thinking and fighting.

    Let's put it this way, on regular bosses use heavy smash for that high dps.

    On high evasion bosses, boss during ultimate, mini boss use triple kick since heavy smash is more likely to miss.

    Its being able to adjust to different kind of fights. We'll that's my idea and just so you know, I'm a brawler as well. ^_^

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    Or just use SB since it ignores guard, does decent dmg and has a chance to regain mp
     

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    Dude, have you tried comparing this to HS damage? The problem with heavy smash is that it has a guard break condition before it hits hard. ^_^
     
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    Mhm, my highest hs so far is 171k after a 164k hs, i havnt tried spamming sb yet but ill probs do it in abit
     
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    This is when sorta spamming sb
     
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    I suggest you to at least lvl your way up to 80s and do a proof concept there...

    Anyway.. Happy as theres a fellow brawler ^^
     
  19. Little Potum

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    @BlackRex I'll try to get to 80 and do a proof of concept with video. I am currently having trouble finding an iOS screen recorder. :biblethump:
     
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    Hsmash with fire elem knux
    Attack 63+E
    Fire
    10% dmage to Earth
    Crit rate
    Mino xtal

    Armor
    10%ASPD
    10 C.rate
    10 Cdmg
    10% C.rate
    Mino xtal + Roga xtal

    Ring 2s
    Mistletoe Shining gentleman + Mino xtal

    Forehead Protector + Yelb xtal

    Potions in the video: Magi up + HP up + giga speed

    Thanks for watchin :)
     
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