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Ugly Needle Knuck: Power of Pierce

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by ugliest, Mar 26, 2019.

  1. ugliest

    ugliest Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking about this for a while. Knucks have a huge disadvantage against high defense monsters, that means they are usually not so helpful at NM or ULTI Bosses. Even with Shellbreak, they cant catch up well since its only a Tier 2 skill.

    With the advent of the new Cookie XTA, I figured it was time to load up on full pierce and try this out. Mind you, this isn't complete yet, since I'm waiting on reset to refine things and add slots (if I don't get them back that is). I'm also missing some crucial pieces to this puzzle (Slotted NPC Assassin Garb)

    So Here's the Break down:

    Weapon: Twin Eagles With Ultima Machina
    100+ Crit, dont gotta worries.
    Ultima Machina for 4% Pierce, 4% SRD, and 400 MP

    Alternative: A CD CD CR 18 with Ultima Machina or FC

    Sub: ARROW -> Offers the highest piercing sub
    Lil Empress arrow or Drill Bolt
    Drill bolt offers 2 more CD but also increases your aggro.

    Alternative -> Dagger with Rat Knife for Pierce and Evasion. Gives access to Hidden Arm and Mail Break

    I choose Arrow due to the fact that I can use the 7mp Save to allow me to deal a bigger long combo or swifted short combo.
    (Also more pierce and CD anyway)

    Armor: Assassin Garb with Cerberus (Probably ornlarf to be safe though)
    15% Pierce, 15 Crit for the important stats.
    Cerb give 3% Pierce with 3 CD

    Add: 2 Options Here -> Love Scarf with Handmade Cookie
    Huge AMPR and 10% Pierce. Total for 20% Pierce, some HP Boost, and 10 Ampr. Is nice.

    Head Gear + handmade Cookie
    Lose some Ampr and pierce. Total is 15% Pierce, 5 CD, and 5% Weapon attack, 5 crit. Still nice and is probably better over all.

    Spec: Machina Ring with don yeti + Zelbuse or Dark Knight + Don Yeti, HALLU Spore for No Tumble and less Aggro
    Since this build is probably lower HP, Dark Knight with Don Yeti is probably the better option to drop your aggro.


    Total Stats from Gear
    Minimum Pierce -> 39% (Rat Knife, Head Gear, no Cerb)
    Maximum Pierce -> 52% Pierce (Arrow, Love Scarf, Cerb)

    Minimum Crit + Base + Crit UP-> 62 Crit (Crafted Knuck, no Zelbuse, No Head Gear)
    Maximum Crit + Base + Crit UP-> 158 Crit (Twin, Head Gear, Zelbuse,)

    Min Aggro -> -55% With Lil empress arrow
    Max Aggro -> -10% with Drill bolt no Dark Knight

    **Since I just want to do a cheap/accessible version of this build for people to use, I recommend going the twin eagles, Love Scarf with Dark Knight Route. Since our HP won't be as high, its important that we lower our aggro.

    Martial -> 55 to 77 SP
    Shell Break + Chariot Max
    Max Passives
    *Can add 6 Bash, 10 Sonic Wave, and 6 to smash for extra breakiness
    *Chakra Extra bonus for 0 MP combo.

    Shot -> 51 sp
    1 to arm break for Save
    max Long Range Mastery (Chariot boost)
    max Decoy (because Decoy Online)

    Blade -> 20
    War Cry (Need that ATK)

    Magic -> 23
    Impact 7 Necessary for long double dps Combo
    Finale 1 for finisher

    Monofu -> 6 to 26
    Shukuchi
    *Kairiki for Damage and AMPR Boost (Not recommended)

    Survival -> 15 to 30
    Hp Boost
    *MP Boost if you feel lacking

    Battle Skill -> 35
    Attack, Crit, Intimidate
    Whack max Optional
    This is good for passive buff Dmg for knuck

    Halberd -> 10
    10 Quick Aura

    Long Combo -> Meoba Shot -> Arm Break Save -> War Cry (Consec) -> Shell Break (Smite) -> Impact (Consec) -> Chariot (Smite) -> Fina Smite OR Chakra for 0 mp
    110% Shell Break, 150% Chariot
    Recommended

    Long Combo 2 -> Meoba Shot -> Arm break save -> Impact (Consec), Chariot Smite -> War Cry Consec -> Shell break Smite -> Fina (smite)
    110% Chariot, 150% Shell Break

    Decoy Combo ->
    1 mp Starter -> Impact Save -> Decoy Consec

    Short Combos
    Impact -> Chariot -> Fina Smite
    Impact -> SB -> Fina Smite


    This build hasn't been completed yet, but I was able to do 150k Chariot at Venena using only about 40% Pierce and a Refine D twin Eagles no Ultima Machina. Also my stats were Agi Vit.

    Give me about 40 More CD, and about 120 More Attack from Refine and I think I can hit the 200k Mark on High Def boss with this relatively inexpensive build.
     
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  2. ugliest

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    Update:
    Fully geared out almost (Still missing a slotted Assassin garb to throw in Ornlarf so I'm a bit HP starved)

    2s Crystal Knuck (A7 ASPD18 CR18 CD18) With Ultima + Grecia for Damage boost and 7% Pierce
    Drill bolt for 2cd and 10 pierce
    Assassin Garb for 15 Crit and 15 Pierce
    Head Gear + Cookie for 15 Pierce, 5 Crit and 5 CD
    Machina Ring -> Zelbuse and Seele for more Crit
    + Crit Avatar + Food + Pierce Avatar

    Sitting at 52 Pierce,

    Best Damage at Venena NM so far has been around 300k Chariot.
     
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    Pretty sure I partied with you on venena nm and I enjoyed the Pt.
     
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    Problem with high def boss? *spams shellbreak*
     
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    That Decoy combo costs 2MP if Decoy is cons. Make it swift, it'll cost 1MP.
     
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    Yeah, it's swift, that was a typo. good catch!
     
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    My knucks armor break on their own though, itsnt that the skill after aggravate?
     
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    Yeah armor break on normal atk is from strong chase.. i dont use strong chase cuz we dont need armor break for high dps
     
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    Whats the average activation rate ofstrong chase with melee alone? I'm talking 3k aspd or whatever
     
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    10% activation rate. So however long it takes to land 10 hits.

    None of my chars use strong chase. It's such a waste of points.
     
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    I noticed my additional hits doing a hell of a lot more than some of my normal hits which made me wonder if its worth looking into. It reminded me very much of ffxi ninja melee dot.
     
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    This build might be able to match Tonfas... but for high def bosses only
     
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    Yeah, for low def bosses this build is just like a regular knuck. Saw myself throwing out 400k Chariots at Ulti Yelb, 300k at NM Venena.
    Another upside with this build is I have access to a ton of ailments
    Paralyze, slow, blind, lethargy, armor break, flinch, stun, tumble


    However, the gear has been upgraded quite nicely and I don't use twineagles for this anymore.

    Still doesn't hold a candle to DS using PCR though. That weapon's just too stupid.
     
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    Has anyone tested dmg between crit damage and pierce to find a rough ratio between the two on higher def bosses? I have a run-of-the-mill cr/cd body and i was wondering if this slot is reaching diminishing returns.

    Depending on this info it would change what goes into s2 on everything for tonfa.
     
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    It's an interesting build. I'm remaking my brawler >.> stupid roll back set me from lvl 135 to 60. But I'm planning on using the assassin skill tree and use daggers! Eventually I'll be able to switch out my biscuit knife for a better dagger, however I need the 200mp and -20% aggro from it for now. I'm sitting on -35% aggro due to the assassin garb. I'm currently debating between Dex or str since I plan on getting gauntling knife. My mp recovery will be high with arcane+Zoe xtal+deniela xtal+ chakra. At lv 135 I was recovering a lot of mp per hit, with arcane(though itll drain it first) it'll be higher XD
     
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    Gatling sucks. Good luck.
     
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    I hate to rain on ones parade, but some bosses make chakra kinda worthless from close range. The cast time and benefits suck at this moment because its treated like an aura, which it shouldnt be, but can be useful as a pt buff from the back row.

    Now if you can get outta red and blue easily then EVERYTHING I said doesn't count as you are in a different league. I plan on getting it around 195 because of the fancy dancer skills unless is spec into evasion both gear and stats.
     
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    chakra is amazing. its for non selfish people :)
     
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    I plan on being a share bear on my mage lol. Her finale game is on point qnd ran outta stuff to get at 115 but its a MUST have imho for back row or support users
     
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    Depends on the build. It gets the most with halberd builds as it gets the most damage from str. Don't worry I'm under no illusion of dealing the amount a halberd build using it would. However I just can't use arrow skills for how I am building my brawler. The skill point usage won't work. So getting assassin skills would benefit my build. I can further reduce aggro, increase ampr and "dodge" with arcane. My focus is dps instead of burst damage with my build.
     

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