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Unexpected drop on the item prices

Discussion in 'Toram Online Player Feedback / Review' started by TheSwordSlay, Sep 15, 2020.

  1. erirya

    erirya Well-Known Member

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    I am running for toram presidential office. We can see here that these bots, man they are not sending their best. Their automated efforts has lowered the value of legitimate human effort resulting in economic harm. I will propose to build a great firewall, it will be huge! Huuuuge with big massive Firewall rules to IP ban these waves of mod bots. Also, I will make them pay for it.
     
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  2. Rizer phoenix

    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Not..really unexpected..
    Since l have been playing, Inflation struck Toram (subtly) once-twice every year,
    Worst and most noticeable being the time of MS quest and the following months.

    Oh n another thing,
    Before? Not many were aware that limited items could fetch a good price, so they hoarded nuff for self only,
    Now?
    Awareness is everywhere n so everyone farms them till they drop dead ._.) Aka 'no-life it'
    Resulting in more stock than demands.

    No offence,
    But our community (toxic members) is one that would lower prices by millions just so they can sell their mat before others, what else do ya expect?

    I really dun get it,
    Are games for enjoying or botting..?
    Even if they bot,
    Are those virtual achievements so good that they ruin the game for others ?

    Note :
    Not trying to be rude,
    Merely stating facts as l saw them.
     
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  3. Azin.

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    Those ppl who bot and mods are the same ppl who abuse rmt tbh ip banning them is like 2birds in 1 stone. No mods or bot also deleting those rmt players
     
  4. HoboOnline

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    They should just make the game pay to play (p2p), and make the following changes.

    Then I would pay/subscribe for the following:

    - Slow and steady development. No more trash maps and random ass skills that become redundant.

    - New refinement / crafting system: make materials harder to find / exclusive to difficult boss breaks. So that we can discount time from the current RNG bs to one that "balances skill as a substitute for time wasted on RNG".

    - New combo system: Combo buffs influence each other, and new options to make combat more creative, rather than Smite/Save hybrids.

    - All physical and magic skills are influenced by all stats, including personal. So you can influence various effects.

    - Elemental damage system changes: Make all elemental damage exclusive to magic skills and magic buffs. Making magic relevant. No more elemental weapons.

    - Physical skills no longer do physical pierce. But can enhance pierce damage if the weapon has pierce stats.....plus... include new attributes like "slash, blunt, and serrated" which will be like the physical equivalent of Elemental damage. As some mobs/bosses will be weaker/stronger to each type.

    - Status effects: More effective but rely on stats/personal stats to significantly improve their effects. So they're viable, none of this "slow" then watch the boss teleport bs.

    ======================

    All I've achieved in Toram was wasting 3000+ hours and probably $2000 USD? To watch the game decline (bot farms, friend bots, hacks/mods), and without addressing the problem they just added a few mini games, and thought pvp would be great.

    Holy, pvp will be a nightmare and encourage a whole new level of RMT/Mods to keep in the top 10.
     
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  5. Zufeng

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    Personally, it's the player and community.
    You already know most players will farm until oblivion and hoard their stuff, believing that they are very smart enough to wait for the event ends so they can sell it with increased price, not knowing there are thousands of players thinking like this too
    Spina farm guides, ugh I really fucking hate this shit. One day you found an obscure boss with good prices on mats then the next day it's crowded because some assholes put your farming spot "SpAnI gUiDe 2020", ruining the price so hard that its no longer worth to farm
    Bot, mods, cheats, etc. During Neo Maton event, the xtall is so damn cheap for an op stat at that time, guess why? cause most people killed it in fucking 10 sec with mods, leading to oversupply

    All of these leads to... you guessed it, RMT
    But, not even Toeram RMT community is safe from the mindsets
    My friend is a very long Rmt player, and he said that Toeram community is probably the most toxic one he has ever seen.
    He said that between rmt groups and seller, its a goddamn warzone. Seller will report another seller just to take him/her out from the competition.
    It got so bad that even the group admin wages reporting crusades against another group, ending up with a complete wipeout leaving no survivor.
    Until this day, none of them attempted to rebuild their own group because not even 2 days their attempt will be canceled through mass reports
     
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  6. The Lost One

    The Lost One THOT BEGONE AGENT Elite Member

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    Spina guides, bots and over farmed items caused this leaving lower price rates and low demand in retuen due to over supply.
     
  7. kagezumi_Crown

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    hmm this might probably be a dumb/too optimistic idea but i think we need to have GMs that actually care about the economy to secretly manage the prices on cb since they are GM, wouldnt they be able to have as much spina as possible and control the prices of various items? eg. any price of said item that is below or above the GM's specifications of their 'safe' price for that item(depending on current events, supposed demands, etc) gets bought by them and resold into the 'safe' prices
    idk tho this is just my 2 cents into it
     
  8. HoboOnline

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    [Reply bomb]

    Well, there probably isn't a viable option to solve this issue.

    I think the vendors buying materials for spina doesn't help, and only encourages bot farms mass selling. Maybe this could be substituted with daily/weekly/monthly missions that supply spina. Like, an actual job...not just mindlessly selling nuts to sololo.

    Because, the RMT sellers are causing the inflation, which in turn encourages the use of RMT. But, now the supply of spina has dropped significantly, and people are like....wtf...like, the value of most items have declined between 40-80%
     
  9. Red_Fox

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    free spina for everyone. just sell for extreme prices and GM will buy it.
     
  10. Rizer phoenix

    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Not to be philosophical or anything, but greed is something that can't be resolved by mere solutions,
    Its something as deep as your morals.
    The day greed can be actually resolved?
    Half of problems of world will stop :v
    Humans greed for everything and anything!

    The only way to 'solve' this is :
    1) Stop relying on others for supplies,
    2) Provide for self,
    3) let there be a 'constant' price for items, so it neither goes below, or above (near impossible seeing our community)
    4) or simply stop playing toram and play something else, or come back a year later hoping its somewhat 'better' (seen how that turned out eh?)

    Prices used to be proportional to effort put into farming them,
    Bots just ruin that for ppl who actually put effort into it.

    For situations like this?
    I actually support ideas like as MS quest,
    It was a constant income :v
    Atleast you knew how much you needed to kill and earn to get item (thats your effort right there)
    It wont really matter if prices were super high or low, cuz you had CONSTANT income..
    For newbie and veterans? Its was somewhat 'fair',
    No need of high level char just to synth/craft/stat etc, merely kill...alot

    But nope,
    One thing accidentally done right was reversed (as expected of Aso) cuz some ppl couldnt handle not being 'only ones rich', so lo and behold, came so called exploitation and nerf of one good thing aso did (not even a lil bit, they flat out made it useless)

    Before someone says that MS was messing up economy,
    1)There r 2 sides to this, some had good views, some bad, leave it at that.
    2) ...bots and players are doing same thing no? Atleast it had an up side.
    3) Isnt that the ..original purpose?
    You hunt for npc, they give you reward, it was only fair that reward was alot since it was a 'mini boss' [doesnt count it being easy because the players now r just super OP]
    (we just never realized how op it was cuz of that constant back n forth thing we had to do without thing '100/1000/5000 at once' submission thing)

    Doesnt seem like Aso cares anymore,
    They keep giving new things, not bothering to fix the ones that are already there and messed up.

    Note :
    Again,
    not to be rude, stating fact and...sorry for somewhat drifting away from original topic...but it adds it
     
  11. TheSwordSlay

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    Whoa, i didn't expect a lot of reply in just a few days, and i think i found one more reason on why toram's economy are going crazy rn.

    I joined a toram group chat that were made for buying/selling items, and it's not limited to just toram's items, lots of people there are constantly buying/selling spina.

    While i'm not into trading my spina with real money (i used that group chat for selling/buying items), i constantly asked those who sell it for their spina-to-real-money rate for 2 reasons, first because i was curios, second because by asking their spina's i can predict if something is wrong with the toram's economy, and boy I WAS RIGHT.

    Like a few weeks ago, i asked one of those spina seller for their rate, she claim to use a "normal rate", and boy her rate is more expensive than when i asked the same question to other spina seller like about 1-2 months ago.

    Also, since like the 5th anniversary event, i noticed that there were more people asking to buy spina than those who sell it, which is weird because it's usually the other way around, it turns out those RMT spina seller wanted to buy a lot of spina so they hold it until the spina rate increase, and sell them when it did increase, which shouldn't damage the economy if they weren't doing it with a large amount of spina, BUT THEY DID, one of them even goes as far as holding ONE BILLION SPINA, and it causes the toram economy going through deflation.

    I suggest Asobimo made some enforcement to the RMT rule, sure RMT on a small scale wouldn't damage the economy but now things are getting out of hand, hell i can't even collect enough spina to finish my katana build :confused:.

    But still, one of my question remained unanswered, as i said before the sudden drop on items price started happening around march/april (as far as i can remember), there were no huge event happening on that time, the whole RMT thing haven't happened yet, and i really doubt it's because of the bot since anti-degradation price is still around 280k-300k back then, is there something that happened around that time which also messed with toram's economy?.
     
  12. Rizer phoenix

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    Only noticable thing during that time period was lock downs being put to action everywhere in world,
    Aka, more ppl staying at home, more free time, esp for gamers,
    Knowing ppl's obsession with farming and hoarding yet lack of time with rl stuff, lock down gave them such time, 24/7 if their devices could handle it.

    Plus it doesnt take much to doom economy in toram, release a guide on yt, sell items less than their worth so u can earn spina earlier than others ( e.g, something worth 2m, being sold for 1.8m, few hours later, ur price is old n new price is 1.5m, 1.2m etc n so on)
    Ppl have better luck getting spina from store npc now than players/cb/selling services
     
  13. HoboOnline

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    Well, what drives up demand for Spina?

    High priced items and scarcity.

    How do we prevent RMT...well, easy. Allow only players who subscribe to the game the ability to use spina in direct trade, and allow asobimo market to sell spina at a lower rate for real money. Therefore those that subscribe can earn money from playing the game, and F2P players are working class slaves. Making it uneconomical to provide in-game spina between F2P players XD
     
  14. The Brahmnic Boy

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    Uh, my Titeres question is still unanswered. Since it drops Anti Deg, isn't that the reason why Anti Deg and Mino skin prices dropped for a short time?
    [Normally it would drop by 10%, but combining this effect with bots you have the problem of it dropping by 40% or more]

    Also, the other day, Mithril ore was 10K per stack, while Hematite was 11K lowest. I internally screamed.

    The problem is not just bots, but desperation. Because new player crafted weapons have high ATK, and comparable Dropped weapons drop at level 170+, players don't grind for step by step weapon upgrades but directly jump to 5th anniv with CB.

    That requires spina, but not a lot of spina, usually under 100K. Newbies get desperate to get any spina, and therefore undercut.

    I always said that Weapons should have restrictions of level and Stats based on how high their ATK is and also rarity. Player crafted are higher, and each stat causes the level/stat requirements to increase.

    While Lower cost of materials makes self services cheaper, it doesn't lower selling price by the same percentage selling price. Players with Statters, Refiners, Crafters, Synthesists get benefits, while others have to try very hard.

    It's very similar indeed, to makes newbies work like slaves with minimum wages for cheaper raw materials for industry.

    I'm all for the new pet system of giving random items being heavily expanded upon to make farming easier.
     
  15. The Lost One

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    nah, anti deg low rate ia due to hoarding before anniv which became a backlash because instead of earning a profit from it, there is a low demand on the said item. Event drop is just a bonus
     
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    Uhh no, making the feature to trade spina unavailable to those who didn't subscribe will NOT prevent the RMT problem, you see those RMT player are willing to spend quite a lot amount of real life money for toram's spina, if they are willing to spent that much money to do RMT they sure are willing to spent a few bucks subscribing to the game so they can continue doing RMT.

    RMT are unavoidable, but i think they can atleast prevent a large amount of RMT from happening on toram.
     
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    At least the money will go to Asobimo and not some parasite. Plus, players who subscribe can use non-subs as slaves. It's neo-liberal capitalism, but with extra steps.
     
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    If in case anyone forgot. May I remind everyone here that Asobimo has its own RMT market.
     
  19. The Lost One

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    which is sadly unpopular and expensive than the illegal ones.
     
  20. TheSwordSlay

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    Still, it won't solve the spina deflation, if it does anything it just makes toram more of a pay-to-play games and encourage those RMT spina seller to continue their shady business practices, since they need real money to continue subscribing to toram, which in turn, only makes the spina deflation worse.
    Asobimo's RMT market didn't cause spina deflation, heck even illegal RMT wouldn't cause the spina deflation if it wasn't for those RMT spina seller who did a shady business practices by holding a large amount of spina (one of them even hold 1 billion spina, and it's only one of them) which then caused a deflation so they can sell their spina at a higher price.

    As i said before, RMT are unavoidable, but i think asobimo should at least make it so that RMT wouldn't damage the economy this much, since we're dealing with a deflation caused by those shady RMT spina seller, one way that i think asobimo can take to counter it is to make a quest (or at least a limited quest) which can cause an inflation (like the old metal stinger quest), it can counter the deflation caused by those RMT spina seller, forcing them to stop doing their shady practices since they can't sell their spina at a high price anymore. Sure it might caus an inflation, but toram's economy has gone through an inflation before and it can heal, different story for this deflation we're currently facing, it would most likely NOT heal if these RMT spina seller keeps on doing their shady business practices.
     
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