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WANNA BE LIKE KIRITO? THIS GUIDE'S FOR YOU! (Cypherian's Revamped Maximized AMPR Dual Wield Build)

Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by Cypherian, Jul 26, 2016.

  1. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    Zega 3, Jade 1, SRoar 4, Ear cuff 4, Pumpking 3, Eerie 5, Viscum 3, War Bangle 3.
    Total of +26 Ampr +Base Ampr which is 12 and 1.1k mana
    Which should be 52 ampr + 11ampr from mp and base of 20 ampr. Giving me 84ampr. Which is what i do if i auto.
    Before I did More when i used Moon Light and Sroar.
    Zega 3, SRoar 8, Ear cuff 4, Pumpking 3, Eerie 5, Viscum 3, War Bangle 3, Moon Light 3.
    Which was +32 Ampr +20 base and +5 from mp.
    Making me regen 64 + 20 + 5, a total of 89 ampr. Which i used to have before i posted this guide.
    To see if max AMPR possible on my build still beats high AMPR + High MP pool.
     
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  2. BK

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    The top 1 gave me 88ampr, if trigger10 or s,step10 is active it would become 108, for the second 1 i dnt understand because u said +base ampr20 on first and +base ampr12 on second i have 84ampr but what is ur current mp on that 1? If 5mp bars then its +10 making it +94ampr so u will have more on the second
     
  3. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    i dont know where you see the +12 base ampr. but i both said it had +20 base.
    the top 1 gave me 83 not 84.
    and 2nd one gave me 89 ampr.
    When Trigger or Shadow Step is Active, the first set did more than the 2nd set. because of the high MP pool.
     
  4. TheXIIIthGuy

    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    Shouldn't it be the same, though?
    I quote:
    For your first setup, we would have 83 (your calculated results) + 20 (from Trigger/SStep buff) + 11 (from MP after Trigger/SStep buff) = 114
    And for your second, we would have 89(results) + 20(Trigger/SStep buff) + 5(MP after Trigger/SStep buff) = 114
     
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    Actually i have 94 on both, maybe the second did lower because of a ampr cap in stats and not ampr through mp?, if u use fewer ampr gears and do base ampr 20 + ampr through mp which 2/100mp and gear ampr which is natural x2 (zega 3ampr will become 6 with dw etc) the calculation will be correct then use trigger or s,step and do 40base and leave the rest as the original x2 it will be correct, also a full bar will leave a little amount in the next bar
     
  6. Lastern

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    Umm so if u equip an earmuff instead of a magic scarf. Does that mean u can have more AMPR when using Earmuff? (300mp = +3AMPR right?)
     
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    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    The problem here is that both of the calculations here are correct according to the respective beliefs.
    This is the correct one if AMPR from MP isn't doubled.
    This is the correct one if the AMPR from MP is double.

    While it's fun to do some calculations, it still doesn't prove us much. The real way of proving which one is true is a proper field test. I wish I had the money to get all the necessary equips though (I must get enough MP and AMPR gears that, when not doubled, have exactly the same AMPR, but when doubled with DW, makes a significant difference between the two according to Cyph's formula [a 20 AMPR difference should be enough to be noticeable]).
     
  8. Christian Lloyd De Jesus

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    Can i ask ? What is the used of using refine weap in sub weap? And is any 1h will do to make as sub?
     
  9. Cypherian

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    The stats that are only used in Sub weapon are Weap Atk, Stability and Element
    Refine affects Weapon atk, so higher refine, a higher weapon atk is given.
    The higher the Weapon atk, the higher the stability, the better the damage.
     
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    What is the level of trigger slash?
     
  11. Christian Lloyd De Jesus

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    Cyph do you have rampage dual sword? Kirito do rampage hehehe even youre not the starter of that title . Im just asking if you have rampage build hehe
     
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    @BK.
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    Since someone had to do the field test, I decided to sacrifice spina FOR TORAM SCIENCE! My equips were:

    Test 1:
    Lvl 115 (2 MP)
    A7%Cd7%Cd11 sword with PG (3 MP)
    C10³7 Arm with Roga Xtal
    Crystal Earrings with MP+100 (4 MP)
    Magician's Ring with MP+100 (11MP)
    AMPR from base: 10
    AMPR from MP: 20
    AMPR from equips (not MP): 0
    Total (on non DW): 30
    Total on DW according to BK's calculations: 60
    Total on DW according to Cyph's calculations: 40
    (Please correct me on this)

    Test 2:
    Lvl 115 (2 MP)
    A4%Cd6 Sword with MW (2 AMPR)
    Same armor as test 1
    Brutal Dragon Crown with Silver Roar (7 AMPR)
    Dex Tali 3 with Eerie (4 MP, 5 AMPR)
    AMPR from base: 10
    AMPR from MP: 6
    AMPR from equips (not MP): 14
    Total (on non DW): 30
    Total on DW according to BK's calculations: 60
    Total on DW according to Cyph's calculations: 54

    Field test results:
    For both tests, it took 5 autos to replenish 3 MP bars. 300 MP/5 hits = 60 MP/hit = 60 AMPR (by definition), so we could say the real value is near that (if not exactly that). This is the exact same value that BK would obtain.
    How does this prove that AMPR from MP is doubled? Simple:
    54 AMPR * 5 hits = 270 MP. With the residual 15 MP left unconsumed by emptying my entire bar, I would lack 15 MP more for another MP bar, and it would take me an extra hit to replenish it. But here's the more poignant result.
    40 AMPR * 5 hits = 200 MP. This means that, no matter what, I would always have 2 MP bars replenished after 5 hits. It would take 7.5 hits total (7 or 8, depending on the situation) to replenish 3 MP bars.

    If any of you has any doubt, I could try and learn to record the tests. I will also test Trigger Slash's effect too if you guys want.
     
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  14. Joughton

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    Can you conclude the following out of this test? (Please correct me if wrong)
    Crystal Earrings: 300mp it counts as 6ampr on DW

    As for Magic Scarf: 120mp and +3 ampr Which is 8.4 ampr then on DW

    Brutal Dragon Crown +4 ampr which is 8 ampr on DW

    Out of this you could conclude Magic Scarf is the best option to go for...But what about the buff Trigger Slash provides? Does Trigger Slash doubles your flat ampr but not the ampr given from mp? If this is the case Brutal Dragon Crown would be better for ampr (at DW) because:

    Crystal Earings: 6ampr of MP
    With Trigger Buff: Still 6 ampr

    Magic Scarf : 6 ampr of stat, 2.4 ampr of MP
    With Trigger Buff: 12ampr + 2.4 ampr = 14.4 ampr

    Brutal Dragon Crown: 8 ampr of stat
    With Trigger: 16 ampr

    Brutal Dragon Crown would only be better if Trigger buff is on though...And if what I said is correct :oops:
     
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    Yes, Magic Scarf is the best option because it gives 100 MP, unlike event BD Crown.
    And Trigger/SStep only doubles base AMPR (I'd say it's more like base*(1+0.1*skill_level)). This means that they're both a flat 20 AMPR increase on DW.
     
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    whats your primary weapon
     
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    Change your swords depending on the Boss ur fighting,e.g. earth type sword vs jade, wind type vs zega
     
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    so which one is right?
    100MP=1AMPR on DW
    OR
    100MP=2AMPR on DW
    ???

    and please explain the effect of skill Triger & Shadow step ?

    and what is the effect if I use these two skills in one combo ?
     
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    100mp=2ampr (cannot be multipled by trigger and s,step)
    Trigger at lvl10 is 2x base ampr (doubles dw 20base ampr only) also adds motionspeed buff on the next skill used
    S,step10 is 2x base ampr (doubles dw 20base ampr only) also adds a crit rate buff on next skill used
     
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    SO if i use Trigger & SS in 1 combo how much my base AMPR ?

    And How much Effect Multiple AMPR SS & Triger /Lv ?
     

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