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When is the next expected free skill reset?

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by SAM., Jul 2, 2020.

  1. Amaymon

    Amaymon Well-Known Member

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    I first thought Berserkers are only found in FGO. Turns out there are a lot of those in Toram if we're talking about resets.
     
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  2. Xiavu

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    Bet they are doing a lot of copy pasta builds. Wonder why they are not upto par with those jacked up, drugged to the bone damage digits.
     
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    Not all stat and skill distributions are mistakes as well. What if you have a 210 str/dex bow? Now T4 hunter skills release and your build is non-ideal as in outdated. Or should we expect to wait 6-12 months so the character can get 25 skill points?

    Additions of new items and skills also influence build allocation. For example, the addition of those Red Knuckles suddenly mage Knuckle farm mages superior than standard md's.

    Purchase some stargems, suddenly you realize you lost 5-10 potential skill pts. Oops, easy mistake.

    Coryn doesn't state skills 100% perfect. I mean, the game doesn't even do that given someone isn't even aware of Coryn. I have noticed some skills on Coryn are simply outdated by months. Look at the dagger page for instance. Multipliers aren't included and you really can't theorize and work well on a hunch with a single action.

    Anyways, there needs to be more events with O. books as a reward. Like, 4x a year at least. Not to mention the time to grind for them usually is as tedious as leveling a new character from scratch.

    Put O. and reset books to Potum Darts (joke)
    (Now I think about it, I believe I have received a Reset books from darts if I can recall well...)
    Inside treasure chests would be more realistic.

    Maybe put some odd restriction on syth's after you change you stats during free resets. Perhaps devs. are hesitant due to that.

    Give Obliv. Books as reward submissions on livestreams and I'll be on that submission promt. A Obliv. Book is much more value than a Leg. gem.
     
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  4. Xiavu

    Xiavu Lurking Overlord of LOVE[L.O.L.] Elite Member Epic Member

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    Most copy pasta builds fail to see the buffs and hidden stats. So even if they copy it to the t, damage output still fail. Hence even if they did it right it feels like a mistake worthy of reset.
     
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  5. SAM.

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    My posts aren't related to copied builds. I don't even look at builds.

    Imagine a new player. Uses KTN. Thinks agi sounds good. Priorities Agi. Then, puts points on VIT because he's dying a lot. Now he's a 210 KTN with 4k atkapd and 800 atk. Common and understandable mistakes.

    (Well, at least they do give one from emblems).
     
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    Indeed, but this is the main reason why most whine bout free resets. Other than that if they are lazy to redo and got cash to burn ooor they dont wanna lose that magic warrior skill. All they have to do is to save up on orbs, wait for december or grab a frying pan and whack a free reset out of suzukiP.
     
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  9. Xiavu

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    Most new players have not yet get a grasp yet is the ever changing meta that the toram have. So the perfect build you got today will be trashed by the next flex vid a few updates down the line.
    Kinda ironic on how the free class less platform spawn toxic clone factories out of youtube flex vids. With pvp coming from the horizon, i can only see oblivion.
     
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    Wait for summer event. Usually you can get notebook of oblivion or just wait for anniv. Gather the free orbs and purchase reset book/book of oblivion.
     
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    This image kinda enlight me, really. I just started play Toram around april, that when rework guard and eva going to be implemented so yeah, that free reset. Not gonna lie when some say over reliance for free reset that i ignore my level 1 guild maze character slot lol(have 6 slot atm, 2main 2bs 1luk 1maze). I dont know about old system exp things, as my guild mostly talk about item and run together(+ded together XD).

    Well now that im 2 month old in toram, using youtube/database/this forum/other forum/group chat and make it in coryn to prepare my own final build(other char kinda random XD). It just that i was thinking for reset one of my main(mage finale, want to make to have burst) and because of this over reliance in free reset that never though in my head to use this level 1 maze.

    So again, gotta thanks for this image.

    edit : some typo word
     
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    Alchemia story, another of their titles, has a rather extremely lenient skill and stat system in which you dont allocate points to anything.

    Only downsides are the cash shop which is disgusting and the combat system (almost completely RNG based).

    Long story short, they cut the skill point system, they gon implement even more disgusting methods of getting money.
     
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    Just get a job buy book of oblivion and reset it simple af.

    If cant do that delete the character optimize it at coryn start leveling again there is one thing that people have these days is time. So grind yer ass up.
     
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    Random comment on toram's facebook, where every single comment is asking for free resets
     
  16. Kaisyl

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    Gotta admit the skill point and stat point system put a hard limit with regards to the game's lifespan.

    Yeah it works by limiting the players so that vets won't have all the skills in the game and that newbies can eventually catch up, eventually, the level cap is going to be so high that you are bound to mess up somewhere, the MQ is going to become so long that it's too much of a chore to grind through it again that people will simply give up and take breaks or jump towards new games.

    Wonder if they even addressed this in Project Eternal.
     
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    Reading trough this all, while I find these "Is free reset out? Something something" very annoying, I can't help but to relate to some points here.
    I really don't like how the Oblivion books are a thing. It's quite hard to define what I think, but I feel like asshobimo is just predating on your errors, like, "You walk normally on a road, you accidentally trip and hurt your legs, you can keep walking with your legs bleeding, start all over again, or swallow the pay-me to continue bandage that could as well not be paid" (That's the closest I can describe it).
    In simples words, it feels predatory. Like if they are just praying that you make a mistake so they can earn money by this questionable method.
    The same goes to revive droplets, something that interferes with the game.

    Coryn club is great indeed, but there's a little.. Tinny detail people tend to forget about simulations...
    Simulations can fail in practice. It's only human to Think you planed well your skills, then when you level them all up, and go test it, you find out they aren't really that good combined as you Thought they would.
    On paper and on Practice are different.
    the worst is, you can't even fully test if the skills you want will really be good which each other because of the lack of lvls, what if you want to test how 6-10 skills do with each other but you need to be lvl160+? grind a new char to test out? well there's so many levels to grind I should just make a new one. and still would not be helpful, if the Test char skills end up being shit together then we go once again grinding just to test something out?

    alchemia story does it kinda well (although with some cons), you don't need to be afraid of messing your skills and you can change class any time you wish.
    The cons? Classes aren't capable of mixing skills like in toram, no sword healer, no mage fighter, just mage mager and sword sworder.

    asshobimo could monetize other things instead of level resetting. the recent avas look Greeeat, why not put more effort in these to make them more attractive to costumers? better than preying on our mistakes and accidents.
    Reset books are not a big of a deal for me, I can live with that. but they are an unnecessary bug that pesters the fun for me, and I don't like them in any way.

    The system "Sam" suggested seems interesting, you could have a slow way of taking back your points, and a fair form of monetizing this would be making the SP you 'regenerate' come faster (Or instantly idk), it's way less predatory and can be monetized in a fair way, In theory.. which may not correspond to real results.

    I didn't think enough on this matter so I understand if no one understands what the hell I'm talking about xD

    anyway, good night I'm sleepy and this week was insane.
     
  18. Kaisyl

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    Avatar sales only go so far. For sales purposes, you need something that provides function in the game, like the guild maid for example.

    Asobimo took the easy way out and designed a system too overly reliant on skill and stat point resets. No new player is going to establish the perfect build on a single free reset. Most likely, they gonna reset their character to try something new only to realise that it isn't what they wanted only to get pay walled to undo that mistake or restart from the beginning.

    Be that as it may, the team does throw out free resets ever so often, but it rarely ever helps when they release/update a skill tree right after. They also can't easily redesign the game to include free resets because it is a main source of income.

    Selling resets is something that's as close as it gets to being a provision of function without being cash shop reliant, currently. There isn't exactly an easy way to implement something that gets players to buy yet doesn't break the game in favour of cash.

    In the future, they are going to have to implement a way to get free resets if they want the game to live on though, considering how newbie friendly the game is and all... (And maybe balance the damn skills too)
     
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    It's silly thinking you're gonna reach perfection on a single try. Also, a build doesn't need to be perfect in order to work properly, any build with core skills will dish a proper amount of damage/utility, all you need is knowing those core skills, which is just a matter of knowledge. In this sense an "imperfect" build isn't a real problem. When time comes, be it a new cap or a free reset, you further refine your build and turn it "perfect", simple as that.
     
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    Maybe Ive always had bad luck with MMOs but isnt this just how it is the longer a game stays up? Only times ive seen games get around it is by killing off the early game. Then you have a bunch of underprepared players because the game fed them levels and no one enjoys that.
     

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