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When is the next expected free skill reset?

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by SAM., Jul 2, 2020.

  1. VangNir

    VangNir Well-Known Member

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    Of course free reset is a good thing. No other mmorpg offer free reset regularly each year. (They usually offer free reset each job advancement.)
    The more freedom you have, the more error you're bound to make. I don't see a problem people asking free reset.
    Moreover, the skill descriptions are sucks. No numbers whatsoever.
     
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  2. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Yup, more levels + longer grind = higher disparity between vets and newbies.

    Even if you take away the fed levels and just made guides for everyone, there's still the factor of time which is why a lot of people just play mmofps/TPS instead.

    RPGs, specifically, mmorpgs, need a rework. Toram has the right direction, alchemia story has the best implementation (except for the garbage cash shop), all they gotta do is fuse the two. But with alchemia story, to bring something like that in toram, the skill tree system has to be done away with. Skills should be obtained individually (think star gems), and leveling them should be proficiency based and/or with skill points which are harder to get than it is right now.

    Free allocation of stat points has too many problems. Whilst it is good, it allows for too many errors especially human design ones like an over powered STR stat.

    All that tho free resets would extend the lifespan a lot though.
     
  3. Unetéro Kenora

    Unetéro Kenora Well-Known Member

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    I see. Well, like I said, needing to reset only bugs me but I don't care enough.
    What makes you say Free resets will need to be a thing in the future? too many skills maybe?
    I wish they could make something else to monetize that doesn't interferes with the game. perhaps pet skins, more species for Wizard (cat, tiger, dog) for orbs, you know the deal. Cosmetics only. We could give them ideas.. Just lemme have one xD
     
  4. Azin.

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    this is the first time ive seen people complaining of free skill reset.
    Every account has 1 free oblivion and reset book.
    if you really interested in the game you would search on how things works or ask other people like your guildmates, friends, etc..

    everyone has been a newbie tbh we all make mistake. if u want an easy way out you can use oblivion/reset book.

    if u broke(like me) you will just remake the character and make sure to review every single thing before applying it.(i remade 10+ brawlers and 10+dws build before i went hiatus)
    all u need is hardwork to make your "perfect build" come true.

    Toram skill implementation has 100% freedom its your choice what u get and use.
    If u made a mistake would u remake it with your work or pay asobimo for an reset/oblivion book. its your choice ^^
     
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    It will be better not to wait for a free skill reset, becoz we won't know when will it happen. U better earn those free orb shards or get those books from events.

    Although I agree that u can still make mistakes, even u already plan everything in making/remaking ur own build. Supposed their already max level & u use books likes minstrel, dance or barehand on it. It was a good reason to wait for a free skill reset rather than deleting all of them.

    There are always this kind of people who always badmouth or became rude on another person, if their opinions were different. Can't u really not say ur ideas without disrespecting others, how childish :p
     
  6. PutuKarma

    PutuKarma Well-Known Member

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    Well then, sorry for being childish just because being fed up by how many people that kept asking about free reset this and free reset that.
    I don't know about you, but I'm literally annoyed that everytime suzuki appeared in livestream, people kept asking free reset and free reset, not to mention how I'm ashamed that majority of them are from my country. I don't know about another livestream when suzuki isn't there, but this is what actually happen when he join the live.

    tl;dr: just some goddamn rant
     
  7. Unetéro Kenora

    Unetéro Kenora Well-Known Member

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    You have some damn DETERMINATION here.
    But sadly, not everyone has the patience to do this tiring and exhausting grinding again and again until the "Perfect build" is achieved (can't judge people either, unless you have an amazing job with free time, or you are a teen, you just don't and can't have the time to do this).
    They will either get bothered and leave, or stick with the shitty version of their build until they get some kind of reset.
    I don't think resets being paid are good for the game, restarting from zero isn't fully viable for everyone. a full rework of how skills trees and "Resets" (If they survive the rework) would be better.


     
  8. Azin.

    Azin. Brawler Enthusiast Elite Member

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    Remeber toran isnt a p2w kind of game where you can buy op equips for real money in cash shop

    Asobimo only gains money thru avatars and reset books.

    I only play 3hrs a day max since im a student and have been able to manage to get 5lvls per day before.
    If you dont wanna pay go do the hardwork instead :)
     
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  9. PutuKarma

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    For all I know, reset book as microtransaction is already in MMORPG core from the old times, and nothing wrong with it eventho I can't say there're no people who is complaining.
    But just as we can see, the price for this reset things is pretty expensive compared to older mmorpg that i know. And with how they barely giving any discount on reset book, it make things harder to make us feeling buying it is viable. Not to mention how the skills in this game is too abstract. If only they can tackle these skills being too abstract, I'm sure less people will complain about it
     
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    ..... e.e which class is good? Sorry I am kinda new in toram , I will reset my mage to something new like dw+assassin class ...oops forgot I don't have resets and reset skills q.q hope asobimo can help somehow ... Gib free resets please asobimo !!
     
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  11. Kaisyl

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    'Famous last words'

    Inb4 PvP
     
  12. Unetéro Kenora

    Unetéro Kenora Well-Known Member

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    Props to you, I guess.
    I never played older MMO's, but the ones I played never had this reset thing. Most of them were Restricted classes like alchemia tho, where you only have to lvlup your pre set skills.
    And honestly, if Toram still uses an *Old* MMORPG system.. I think they could innovate and do something else for a change. Something *Better*..

    I have been doing the Hard work since I started the game, I can't tell for sure but I do not like how you are trying to, seemingly, mock me assuming with no evidence that I don't do things the Hard way. I do the Hard way for 4 years in this game already. (The smiley face just helps make it look like you want to be a dick).
    My point is that "The Hard way" is not normal "Hard way", it's "Fuk you buy my shet" extra Hard for no reason, just isn't fun and most people drop toram because of it. The game is already slow to begin with, why put this here? (although it's way better than ''LfP NIGHTmaRE CrYSTal'' dark times).
    It's not the "Work for what you want if you don't want to pay" kind of hard, it's "Oh you though this skill was good but it isn't? Well fuk yu buy my shet or grind from zero again : D" unnecessary Hard way.
    What is worse, you don't "Earn" something if you buy Oblivion books either, example, if you buy avatars, you are paying for something you sure want and will feel good about doing so, it's good for both parties, the two get what they want and everyone is happy.
    With books, you fuck up something on your skills, now you are unhappy, and now you can either get in the negative by paying a Fix (Book) or doing another unfun and not satisfactory method of deleting your char and starting from zero. Only asshobimo gains with it, the player is fuked in any way.
    This is why I think all RPG's should restrict monetization to Cosmetic only. So they aren't the only ones gaining something and don't make the game pay to win. (Not saying Books are pay to win, just the way I think an Ideal RPG would be in general, kinda like LoL, 100% free, cosmetic only, amazing skins worth paying)

    But yeh.. comparing this to other major, shameful DISASTERS asshobimo does, like Cat skills and neglecting Knuckle being pure shit since the start of it's existence.. books aren't that bad. just a drop of shit in the pool of lava. Not happy with the drop of shet but there's +important things to care bout' so you know the deal.

    I literally just started developing an opinion on books in these two days, So I'm not 100% sure on anything, my explanations are shet, so, patience with me ._.
     
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    Unetéro Kenora Well-Known Member

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    What you mean by abstract? (I guess you mean how we need Data miners to be sure of how Tfuk things even work, another reason why I feel Reset system is predatory)
     
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    Why does everything need to blow up into a discussion these days, are y'all doin ok?
     
  15. MyLastDreams

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    Pretty sure forums are all about discussions lol.
     
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    better question is. why is this facebook group- i mean forum is always toxic? pvp, skill tree ideas, heck any topic about ideas is always bound to have so much toxicity here.

    hell, who wouldn't want a skill reset now?the new assassin buff is pretty dang good for most classes. and i sure as hell won't relevel all my characters from scratch just to update my build.
     
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    Welcome to internet?
     
  18. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    This is normal. When memes start flying and conspiracy videos start getting uploaded to YouTube, then that's a problem.
     
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  19. Azin.

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    If toram went p2w then its time for goodbye for me.

    I just csme back again because its free time and im still waiting for blue protocol to grt released

    Ive played iruna before toram and have the same principle that u have a complete freedom to buy their reset item or remake kind of thing. I guess i got used to it since i never bother paying for it and injust remade those character.


    Ive been a brawler main from lvl 70 cap nc years. And im butthurt because of imbalance when it came to martial skill. Until now.
    Its the only reasonable item that u can buy in the shop if you really need it. Just like what i told u you have the complete freedom to buy/remake or wait for reset.
    Sorry if you think my smiley face is being a dicki just like using that.
     
  20. Kaisyl

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    PvP changes a lot of mechanics that I'm sure the Devs aren't taking into consideration. Yes the game is fine-ish as it is for PvE but for PvP? So much mechanics need a rework it's insane.

    Never mind skill unbalance as bad as it is, stuff like 2s now becomes MANDATORY and right now, the only way to guarantee that is from the cash shop.

    I'm just waiting for another mmorpg or might delve into coding for a while z.z
     

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