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Why Compansation player with orbs not spina?

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Surim, Apr 30, 2020.

  1. Surim

    Surim Well-Known Member

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    Toram is an mmo rpg , it's a fine game with high rates, but because of lot unusual reasons it's having lot of issues now days... it's currency is spina and orbs , Orb> Spina, so it's a game with market/trade systems, q.q it's amazing game but I don't understand why it's not P2W? Orbs are everywere in this game, orb are supposed to be super rare? Because it's a shop currency for limited additional special items ? Why not compansate with spina to all players instead of orbs or avaters? Bots are everywere because In reality spina > Orbs in terms of use ... which is why bots are always active and making lot of problems, lot of players are also getting ban because of there need of spina , why not change the compansation of orbs/avaters to spina like 100k or 1m x.x each account, everything can be solved by this tbh , no more tuyul here and there begging, player's will create many accounts,asobimo don't have to keep maintenance or worry about cyber attacks etc, bots will eventually be gone, Toram online gaming rate will rise etc ... all in all 100% happiness everywhere, and on live stream rewards one device can only switch 20 to 35 times in 2 hours ... because of slow logging process ^-^ ... so no more bots, beggers, low rating, hard feelings cuz of ban etc ... and even if bots still don't mind stopping farming they will eventually be gone because the cap is just 2.1b x.x which won't be rare anymore ....
    (Just my own artificially created hypothesis , you may ignore if don't like my words and pls don't bully me q.q me weak at heart*)
     
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    PutuKarma Well-Known Member

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    1. If spina being sent as the compensation, people that have created many accounts ID will be benefited, and I'm sure it's not just one or two players, but at least half of the real players in toram have at least 2 accounts, with the average of them have around 3-5 accounts. This will soon make the market price rise because "why would i sell things cheaper if people can afford more?", thus making new player who didn't get the compensation got left behind because it isn't that easy to get spina in early game, and the prices range will be widen. All those item prices that are in demand will skyrocketing and the items that's not in demand will stay the same. As a result of this more people will use bot and as far as i know the prices in game wont decrease much unless asobimo itself that make the items less demanded (by releasing a better items).

    2. It's a stimulant to make people get hooked to spend their money in the game. It's a common practice for f2p games and I can't say that's wrong as long they didn't make any lootbox that broke the players money and monopolize it to be limited to be cash currency only.

    note: my english sux, and your point is only based on your own wish (but, sorry i didn't read it commpletely, because when you start talking about bots, there's not many way to limiting it, and your suggestion isn't one of it for all i know)
     
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    Ever heard of inflation? If they implement your idea then I can imagine there would be a time that a leg orn will be sold for 500m
     
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    Most ingenious opinion I've seen on this forum, this beats even pvp guys
     
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  5. Amaymon

    Amaymon Well-Known Member

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    Just because you think it's good doesn't mean it is.

    There is a huge difference in reality and plans. People will exploit whatever shit you throw at them be it spina or orbs. Let the Revita I x99 rain instead.
     
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  6. kariin

    kariin Patience is a Virtue Staff Member MODERATOR Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor Epic Member

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    i rather get 1 orb for compensation vs 100k spinas...for someone that don't buy orbs, orbs is worth more for me. spinas is easy to get...just sell some craft gears n spinas. also i think toram would lose a lot of players if they give something that's easy to obtain in compensation vs something u'd need to use real money to buy
     
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  7. Yunan

    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    The problem is how these free orbs from compensation can be converted into spina, hence affecting the market. If orbs can only be used to buy avatars/fairy sewing tool, these orbs would have a limited benefit for single player uss. Compensated orbs shouldn't be allowed to be used to buy extractions or piercers. The impact? These two slots gears would be sky high in price and would only be affordable by whales, making it an extremely p2w game. And these 2 slots gears or even 1 slot would become luxury items. But in term of abuse availability, there's not much these exploiters can do aside from spina botting. The orbs have single player value for stuff like resets, storage, changing appearance, that doesn't affect the market. So orb compensation isn't something abusable had it only be used for those purposes. But the reality is if they really made such a big change, it would impact the market greatly. Thats why they leave it as is and let these compensated orb and free orbs from event emblems sustain the piercers and extractions demand after they remove the add me tuyuls completely. Its not as bad as it used to be because asobimo can actually control the rate of free orbs circulated better compared to unlimited variabls of add me tuyuls.

    I personally dont think orb exploiters are as bad as spina botters. These piercers and stuff still dependent on spina value and will stabilize based on the value of spina circulating on the market. Spina botters on the other hand, raises the difference in how the rate of real players can farm fresh spina compared to machine, off-hand fresh spina farm from selling items to npcs. Making spina farm from drop items/quests obsolete for players. These bots are the ones that asobimo does handle directly to remove the uncertainty factor of spina circulation. If the bots were to ve eradicated, spina circulation would become more natural as the value stabilize depending on the rate of activity of players. Spina value would reach an equilibrium point where the value is saturated with the balance of players farm rate and server activity. Thats why they also have something like cb tax as spina sink that correlate to server activity. The hard part is to remove these botters, which is the source of instability.
     
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  8. Rizer phoenix

    Rizer phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Instead of long paras?
    Imma just say one word..understand/interpret at you own risk :
    Inflation
     
  9. Xiavu

    Xiavu Lurking Overlord of LOVE[L.O.L.] Elite Member Epic Member

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    It just mean that they pass through the rng. It is their choice to spend their luck to transfer to spina. Only problem is that there is a demand for it(meaning there are gullable victims around) that is willing to pay. And it cycles around in YouTube creating more market and demand for it.

    Sadly it sometimes link up to illegal rmt when they become bored at it and sell the account as whole at some place asobimo cannot reach.

    3 years in and my wallet never get passed 7 digits. There is no pvp so no need for arms race. Insecurities from lack of patience and skill is driving the stupid market anyway. You can finish the story mode with enuf level and revive droplets and easy mode. The need to flex usually drive the hammer to the stupid head.
     
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  10. RyeUshio

    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    Dear Asobimo,

    Stop sending orbs to @Surim, he clearly doesn't need it. Send it to me instead, so I get double compensation.

    With appreciation,
    Blue Bull ^_^
     
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    Asobimo: *gives the players orb as a compesation*
    Surim:
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    Pretty much sums it up. Just give Surim Revita I x99. Even better, Revita I(gift) x99
     
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    tbh, the problem they've done when giving orb as compensation is that unpaid orb doesn't expire while paid orb does, hence it become profit for players that have many accounts. The circumstance will be different if only unpaid orbs can expire, like, they'll panic and thinking to spend the orbs before it get expired and thus the in game economic will only unstable for short terms and will be back in 6 months or so.
     
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    Thinking about it, a lot of players will end up being unable to unlock more slots if they are missing one more orb and then it expired the next minute.
     
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    I didn't say the expired time is short, it can be 6 months just like the current paid orbs being expired in 180 days. That's enough of time for someone to do many things while limiting people to keep the orbs for illegal purpose
     
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    Please don't destroy the balance, this is one of the few f2p games on play store with more than 1 million players.
    And I guess bots would be more common after implement his idea. Items will become more expensive and encourage more farming i.e. more bots. Also, If spina is sent as compensation, its like a nightmare for people like me who spent hours farming hoping that one day this Ill be rich etc,,, ok don't mind me.....
     
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  17. Surim

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    QwQ beggers are begging everywhere, Me feels sad
     
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    Kinda pointless. Pricess will adjust if they compensate via spina, sellers will increase price so nothing will change.
    Same scenario with 200orb compensation, the pricess of piercers via spina became cheaper since orbs became abundant, so if u reverse it wherein spina compensation, then the price of orb item will be higher since orb become more valuable.
     
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    I'll bet my ass their "spina compensation" will be like 100k spina or under
    Yeah, I prefer my 1 orb compens
     
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    damm... even i got my 8 digits on my 2nd year
     
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