Why there are no Tanks oO

Iam farming roga with my snipe atm
Most of the time i have to tank because evryone say he can tank but no one has provoke
Why the hell is that like this?
Srsly i would give the tanks revita 3 if he can tank
Normal partys i got all 3 ranks in ranking
I dunno why no one cares about
I dont getmore drops only lose time and money -.-
Sry for my bad english xD

 

I got full damage snipe without roga xtal i have only 770 hp xD thats why iam a bit frustratet

 

I need to be careful with my wording as it may instant aggro...

A tank takes too much effort to build and the reward is not there, not currently there I should say.

To build a proper tank, there is a lot to consider with weapon choice, equipment options, skill build, aggro-holding. After doing all of that and finally have a plan for the tank, you then run into problem of not having proper DPS to level yourself, or get yourself insulted by all-Mage parties. After which means you will realize your only options to level up are by:

1. Create a farm Mage and feed your tank Bnuts, or
2. Tank at the most popular boss at the current time and burn off enormous amount of revitas, but wait, if you can't level up, how can you tank a boss to begin with? Go back to option 1?

Then you have combo points to worry about, as you cannot tank effectively without the use of combos, for certain types of tanks anyways.

If one had to go through so much trouble to create a tank, most would opt for the easy way out, make a DPS and let others tank.

Give this little monster some time to evolve, you end up with the demographics we have today, a shortage of decent tanks.

Can we fix it? Yes! Who wants to be the first AOE party to allow tanks to leech? I think I hear crickets.

Some people believe that all you need to get a lvl 70+ tank is to yell for one. As long as we continue to believe that and continue to refuse the responsibilities of helping tanks level, we will continue to see a shortage of tanks. They don't just magically appear.

 

I hope I won't get aggro as well..

1) Personally it's because I think it's more fun beating up rather than running around being beaten up, thus tankers earn my respect as they protect the party members, allowing themselves to get the beating in order to get their party members survived (no joke in this, good job tankers)

2) In many cliche stories, the main character usually is the most damaging right? Thus tankers usually get the role of extras, and I think most of people still think the same
(tho the good news is some modern fantasy stories got tankers/shielders as the main characters, but let's discuss this another time)

3) need revitas, gimme revitas, that's the tankers problem, paying for revitas is a pain, looking for cheap revitas sellers is a pain, making them yourself is even more of a pain, also get your storage slot filled with revita stk is a pain too, maybe some people think a good tank won't need a revita but I should say a good tank should have a good preparation, at least some revita ll - lll in bag or even vita plus, thus it's a pain

4) Early game you don't need a tank, no, you don't even need a party, then mochello come and realized you need a party, but still no consideration of tank, since bosses still slow, then demon gate come, roga come, mezza join the fest as well
thus story-wise, realization of the need for tank is in the late game for common people
(Tho I know some people (including me, sorry for bragging) realized it early game)

5) If you're free player, there's only 3 char slots, what you gonna fill them with? I think it'll be the class you like for 1st and 2nd then bs or/and alchemists for 3rd, while the 1st and 2nd is any char you like, so 1st must be dps something (normally you build them wrong then reset), 2nd might be mage for farm in case mage is not the 1st, and both of them normally mustn't be a tank, at least I know it won't be pure vit, 3rd will be random but considering you'll need bs/alche you gonna fill it with them sooner or later

6) "No need for 2 tanks, some people must have a tank already" and "I don't want to be a tank, so I'll just let other person take the role", I just think this kind of mindset should've spread rather vast so that's how it is, many people asked "Why there's no tank?", why don't you create one..?

Don't give me the aggro...just consider me as passerby

 

I just recently made a 2H tank, got it to lvl61, and I must say, I love it! The only thing I don't like is that when people get a tank in their party, they get chaotic. "Oh, well there's a tank in the party I guess I'll just spam away!" NO! STOP! I hate having to play Tug-of-War with people. Just because I have provoke and some aggro skills/equips doesn't mean you can go batshit crazy. Of course, when I lose aggro I get blamed for being a "poor tank" (People don't say it, but I assume that's what they're thinking). If you keep stealing aggro from the tank that's an obvious indicator that you're spamming too much, unless you have a actual bad tank. Spamming goes double for snipers.

 

It's because a tank is an absolute waste of resources for something you probably won't even use, since who honestly needs a tank in speedruns? I made a tank like in November or something but it sucked, so despite getting slotted npc bs plate arm (which took like 27 tries, rip), I just deleted it. just an unneeded class. Any class can tank easily enough, a tank is basically just there to do nothing but voke voke voke.

Edit: In fact, a tank will probably never actually be needed at all in Toram. Brawlers double as breakers and they can avoid most attacks with high dodge and such, but tanks just suck. Unless it's a 2h with provoke, then it's not really a tank is it.

 

i doubt anything will change by lv 100. Tanks are just glorified leeches to be honest, cast voke and you're done. And it isn't bad for drops, it's just less effective. if you aren't going to break the boss there no point in getting all of the smaller boosts, since most people don't farm for the 40% drop rate trash mat, most of the time.
Maybe in the late game will tanks be more useful, but currently there's really no needs for tanks - at least DW has its own AOE and the others.

 

I don't think there is an argument whether tanks 'will' be useful in the future. It is 'now' where a lot of players are still overlooking the usefulness of tanks.

When there is a new boss, people 'use' the tanks to keep them safe while they study the boss. As soon as they figured out the pattern and realized that survivability is no longer at stake, they replace the tank with DPSs for fast runs.

To those people, they could care less if the others have tanks to level up. They are doing 15 second runs and they are getting drops.

I understand what you are saying, but while I agree with you, we can't change the fact that a majority of players out there look at tanks as a summon-able shield that they will yell for one when they need them, and ditch them as soon as they are not needed.

 

Well done, you inspired a comic XD

 

The problem with this game is how horrible it is to tanks. First of all, in general, tanks are very expensive classes in just about every game. They need expensive armor and expensive pots to keep up with boss damage. But Toram doesn't even offer true defensive capabilites to tanks. As other people have mentioned, a good tank will deal very low damage to maximize their "tankiness". This makes leveling difficult and the class less appealing to the majority of the players. There's also the defense similarity amongst all the classes.

A Mage or Archer should have nowhere near as much defense as a tank but because of the "unique" gear crafting of Toram, everyone and their mothers sport the same defense from range classes to meelee. Sure, there are buffs and skills to increase your defense, but because armor is "free for all" there's no specialized tank gear(and some people might point out aggro gear, but the point is that it offers no defense. And heavy remodeling is a joke). Tanks in Toram are glorified sponges in the truest sense of the word. Take damage and heal. That's it.

For tanks to truly be a needed class, what this game needs is to severely nerf all classes' ability to cc bosses and redesign the "knight" tree to offer more crowd control and better aggro(provoke is good, but you can't put it into a combo). Also, high defensive gear that would only be appealing to an actual tank would be a welcome addition. Bosses(or at least upcoming ones) need to be more aggressive to people who simply rely on Revita and vita + to curb the damage because there's no real punishment to a dps who steals aggro. There's little incentive for a glass cannon to stop attacking other than the cost of Revita III(which ain't even that much).

I don't know, honestly, that has been the biggest issue of mine with Toram. In an attempt to be its own game, it has glanced over balance.

 

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That build gets aggro with just using 1 mp combos and if you have a aggro set up then you can steal aggros from provoke easily, it does decent damage, if you add vit and focus on hp, there's a dps tank right there. Ofc tanks vary from people to people, I honestly believe that there isn't such a thing as a "tank" but someone who can take hits while pulling aggro. This is my first MMORPG and I may be ignorant but I can't see "tanks" being a class but a build with provoke and high HP.

Don't mean to shoot at anybody here but all classes are still undefined, toram has it where anything is possible if you take your time and put effort it, which makes it extremely hard to define a certain class and it's purposes.

 

I have a lot of tanks and what cry said is true... But u also have to realize we are fighting bosses way way over their recommend lvls! Try fighting empress with a party with all lvl 63s not 70+ and u will see u do need a tank! :3

 

Yay recognition :3

 

Tanks save everybodies butts, and they survive doing it, unlike a 2h with provoke... any class can have provoke and hp boost and call themselves a tank, but they are either gonna eat stks of revs or kite like a chicken... to all u who say tanking isnt fun, or isnt worth the effort, try gwtting hit by boss roga for 1k+ and it only tanking a fraction of ur life bar, which u regen before it even hits u again XD Imo a good tank with 5k+hp (mine has 11k) and good aggro is always gonna be useful on the front lines

 

Having 5k hp and having knowledge to tank doesn't mean crap if you can't get aggro

 

True dat, but then again if u cant draw aggro, delete ur tank anyways

 

Tank is beginning to shine as higher level bosses are being introduced to the game. I believe we will reach a point where full DPS party couldn't kill it before the whole team being wiped out. Personal opinion though.

 

... and monsters attack(except normal atk) deal based on your %hp.... so is it wise to increase your max hp ?

 

They next problem is that def is bugged and as more hp the tank has as more damage he take ..
I played a full vit tank and deleted it only because roga hit my snipe with 200 in charge and my tank with over 1k
Iam evry time happy to have a tank in party and when he can hold the agro and i can focus on damage its normal for me to grab him and give him a stack revita for his work so i dont waste them and he can use them better then me

 

Only certain atks do that, gk's sword raising murder-look, for example, or volgs fireball-badassery

 

His charging skill is very unstable. The range in damage is huge.