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Force blader build, need input.

Discussion in 'Warrior' started by Sidis, Mar 30, 2016.

  1. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    I thought of a possibly great combo for a magic swordsman after reading threads for many hours problem is finding the info I need.

    So my thoughts are:
    1h sword and MD sub.
    Dex, int, agi.
    Wish I had that dragon sword thingy with all that xtra aspd & cspd to use but I have a nice Sabre that'll do for now.
    Metal wings. Because it's atk stats and all sub stats apply when you use power wave
    Forest wolf garb
    Cape/Scholar's glasses?
    Speed talisman/ sofya talisman 300 MP?

    Sword skills: 30+ ?
    Hard hit 5
    Astute 10
    Trigger slash 10
    Sonic blade 5-10 ?

    Magic skills : 50+ ?
    Magic arrows 5
    Magic Javelin 5
    Magic lances 10 (heard it is a nice damage dealer)?
    Magic impact 7-10 (not sure yet, probably 10 for good measure)
    Magic wall ? (Could be useful, Mabey a waste of skill points though not sure, need input)
    Charge 5
    Chain cast 5
    Power wave 10

    Survival skills : 25
    Safe rest 10
    Fighters high 5
    Hp boost 10 (no vit on this build)

    Wasn't sure where to go from here or if I've only spent 100 points so far on skills I think will work and I have a few maybe's for various reasons mostly to do with all the extra effects power wave has on my auto and possibly skills too.(explained in next paragraph), I don't usually play a magic user of any type always the lowly swordsman so the best magic skills to have for this build might be eluding me, except impact of course which was an easy choice. guard skills would probably be good Idk if sober analysis has a special trigger effect like fighters high if so, heck yeah sign me up.

    I'm still not sure about some of the effects of MD sub with power wave .
    1. do you get the extra 70% more damage for using MD if there sub or is this main only.
    2. I've heard you can't crit with auto and skill atk when you have power wave, true? Because if I can't crit it destroys this build taking away a huge amount of power from some of the best sword skills I rely on and combos I want to use plus my poor lil auto atk, I can't have all white numbers at a time like this.
    I've learned everything else about it I could, These are all that remain of the power wave mystery for me.

    About stat distribution. I was thinking mostly dex since it'll give you great cspd, good atk, hit, and a little matk. with an even smattering of int and agi, there respective main effects: int matk and agi aspd are very high I think I should be able to deal good matk with fast cspd (high dex) and deal patk at a reliable rate with good amrp(from a distance)


    I'm am completely open to all suggestions and questions would love to hear your input on this idea that's probably not even an original.
     
  2. ~•Neon•~

    ~•Neon•~ Well-Known Member

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    I too, Would Like to know if there is ANY way to have a decent Sword/Power Wave Build.

    Does using MD as sub keep Power Wave from sucking away your ATK?
    I would love to kno this
     
  3. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    Yes it does. Thank god for that too, because it already gives a minus 15% to your atk to have MD sub.
     
  4. ~•Neon•~

    ~•Neon•~ Well-Known Member

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    Wait Wait Wait.... So I can use MD sub, and still deal Moderately Good Damage at range with a sword? This is Becoming a legit thing here.....

    I made LRDW But its sort of bad. The 20SP I spent on PW wasn't really worth it. How much does PW affect 1H sword normally VS. With MD sub?
     
  5. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    It's -15% to your atk w/out MD sub, not to bad depending on your existing atk. MD as sub plus power wave gives same atk but your mds atk stats and sub stats now apply to all your auto atks..I believe power wave also might lift the usual -15& to atk from MD sub.
     
  6. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    As I said, need more input still.
     
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    ~•Neon•~ Well-Known Member

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    But it is possible that that using sub eliminates the -15%?

    Well with highest ATK onMD being around 40... Auto attacks would suffer more from Using MD than even 15%. This may just Not be worth it.
     
  8. RyeUshio

    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    1h + md is not really a good combination, also substats doesn't apply with this. ^_^
     
  9. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I was reading that power wave eliminates -15% atk stats from using MD as sub and the -15% from power wave itself, negating a lot of damage loss.
     
  10. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    With power wave they do.
     
  11. RyeUshio

    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    I'm referring to the substats of the md not the -15%atk penalty of 1h + md. ^_^
     
  12. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    I read from the what effects of sub wpns thread. It stated that power wave will make your sub MD stats and sub stats apply even with a 1h as main wpn, so it could basically enhance your MD into a useful sub wpn. I don't know how old the thread is or the info is completely correct but the author seems very legit and well educated on the toram world.
     
  13. RyeUshio

    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    It must be Mugami. ^_^
     
  14. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    Yup, the very same.
     
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    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    He's also the one I got the info regarding a lot of the secret functions of power wave with MD sub from. Second hand of course, he hasn't responded to any of my questions yet.
     
  16. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    using MD as sub weapon removes the damage penalty on Power Wave for non-magical weapons.
    since MD subs are only used when activating magic skills, they will work with Power Wave too.
    and since Power Wave is a weapon attack, not a skill, the MDs attack modifiers will apply. (which they normally don't)

    so, when you have Power Wave, you weapon attack will become "magical" and it will use the MD sub to calculate damage, just like when using magic skills.
    attack modifiers like stability or crit don't activate on skills, but on normal attacks. but not on sub weapon MDs, since your main weapon is used for attacks.
    Power Wave makes you use your sub MD for attacks, so it's attack modifiers apply.
    your attack stat is still calculated from your main weapon, but your Power Wave attack will use the MD stats.

    Mar 8, 2016

    Just copied the above from skill tree thread. A lot of info but still confusing.

    does it mean you add your MD atk stats and 1h ATk stats together and trade the sub stats of your main for your md sub instead or are they combined?
    It also states that the sub stat modifiers from MD won't be used for your skills just your auto atk.
     
  17. Giffy

    Giffy Well-Known Member

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    With how I understand it, PW uses MD ATK and the stats from both 1-hand and MD is applied (for auto attacks).
     
  18. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    So it uses your MD atk mod instead of your main wpns? I must sound pretty dense, lol.
     
  19. Giffy

    Giffy Well-Known Member

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    I think so. But there's a chance that it uses both. If someone can test it then that'd be great. I may test it though this weekend. Lol.
     
  20. Sidis

    Sidis Well-Known Member

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    Still curious about the +70% dmg if MD is sub, if so that would help a little with the dps.
     

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