Katana Skill Damage from STRDEX to DEXSTR

ll STRDEX or DEXSTR... This dilemma is very very very hard to decide for me and many of the players. So, I gather information on the forum and calculate the skill damage.

1. Compare STR and DEX for Katana
STR: Damage (1.5 for 1 str), Stability (0.075 per 1 str), Critical Damage (1 cd for 5 str), and some aspd
DEX: Damage (2.5 for 1 dex), Stability (0.025 per 1 dex), Hit (1 for 1 dex), and some cspd/matk
Many people report that the full STR build give higher damage than the full DEX build because of the critical damage. So, let's calculate that damage.

2. Damage for Zantei and Hasso
Thanks TheXIIIthGuy for the formula. Thanks mayam for the buff info. I cannot post this tread without them^^. Assumptions are:
- Lv 135
- Weapon: 55 +c, A7 c14c14cd14
- Armor: c14c14cd14cd7
- Add: Gothic so cd3
- Whatever ring
- No avatar
- Lv 10 Bushido and Twohand
- no unsheated multipier since i do not know the based number.

This is what I got: <look at the attached file>
The calculated damage is much lower than the actual skill damage somehow. Anyway, the estimated actual damage is very closed to what I got in game.
It turns out that STRDEX give the highest damage for Zantei. For Hasso, the mix is the best. However, as the weapon damage increases, the full STR give the highest damage.

Remark..The estimated damage is tested with metal stinger. The other monsters will be different.

3. Verdict
So, the full STR win? Well, that depends on your play style. It is best to decide for yourself. For me, I prefer 99% stability with some hit to avoid gaze. So, the mix stat build for me.

Hope that this will save your time and most importantly ORBS and STAT Book!!!

 

Did you consider damage increase by two handed passive for this calculation?

 

Yes, thanks your post. Add credit in the post ^^.

 

you mean mix by 50:50 STR and DEX ?

 

How much was your ATK stat when you considered this?
Two handed passive increases ATK stat by 50% on the damage calculation of critical hits.
At low ATK you will feel zantei giving more damage on full STR because of its skill constant. As the ATK keeps getting higher to around 1.3-1.4k the difference between full STR and full DEX becomes almost negligible.

 

F*** IT!! FULL AGI FTW!!

 

Well the problem is, that you frame the test around your equipment. And that's not currently the highest potential damage this build can produce.

If we assume everyone will use that equipment sure. But dex% overcomes those limitations increasing the dmg output in favour of Dex over str.

The equipment you're using already favour Str stat's, so it's already bias. And that bias only gives rise to an increase in 4k dmg...

Best thing you could do, is test it with a blank sword and just use the stats. And then show it with different equipment variations.

 

Its already tested. Dex is better. But if you ARE just gonna be satisfied in normal runs or hard. Str is the get go. Why make another thread about this arguement lol. Seems pointless anymore as for its forum's calculator calculated with proven and tested. Lol.

 

Did somebody said AGI??? *agi junkie shivering voice~

Glad you pointed this out. They kept blabbing bout str being better than dex, yet their gears are oozing with cd, giving dex the handicap.

I was in a party then a wild strdex katana appears. "Yay, I am strdex katana so strong says yt." Then after the fight, he said "Why zantei not working?" I was laughing in silence. Lmao. ^_^

 

I was using full cd gears with full dex and even then after resetting to str it only gave 2% boost
Idk where are they getting the idea that if you are using cd better use it with str only.

 

The idea came from the thought that cd from str adds up with the base cd, thus higher growth for cd% and eventually forgetting about atk. ^_^

 

Actually, it's the opposite. Sure, CD% gears boost the CDMG you get from STR... But by how much? 5? 10? 15? However that's not the real problem; the real problem lies within the equips being full crit. This causes diminishing returns to apply and, by extension, not only reducing the CDMG benefits from STR, but also making DEX more interesting to take due to a slightly more even ground.
In short, it gives DEX a leg up.

And to all, the results here are actually something I would expect. STR just has so many benefits to Katana it's kind of hard to ignore it, but DEX reduces graze and it's undeniable too. Damage calculation isn't black and white; that's what I always say and what this guy concludes in his last statement:

 

Excuse me for my double post, but as for the results you obtained:

Are you sure you took every single variable in consideration? The formula is pretty much ripped off from the code and translated into a much more digestible form, save for a few rounding errors.

 

Let’s see...First, if the total atk is increased by buff, the %different should be the same because both builds get the same multiplier. Second, if the total atk is increased by weapon atk or flat atk, the full str will get extra damage. Thus, either case, the full str will get higher ended atk. But the different is small about 2-3%.

 

I did not include the unsheated multiplier since I do not know the based stat. And I think it is very weird to get that low damage. For instance, the snipe skill is (1600+400)*10*2=40000. The actual dmg for metal stinger is 230000. It may be due to some mechanic like proration.
Anyway, I do not try to calculate the final dmg but compare the trend of the build. Leave out the same multipliers should not affect the result much.

 

No, something like 210-230 str to get high stability. But if you concern about graze effect, you can be more dex oriented. The damage will reduce a bit.

 

Its not the same as 50% more ATK means 2.25atk per STR and 3.75atk per DEX. (1.5atk difference instead of 1atk difference)
Dex will overall still have more ATK. If you consider skill constants at higher ATK stats will favour more to DEX than to STR.

Thats just nitpicking tho the fact remains that theres not much difference between them except for base stability(STR) and sustaining stability/avoiding graze (DEX)

 

Which I should go first?
STR or DEX?
Which one should I max first?
Then why?

We are mumbling this question since katana released. But in my opinion, it depends on your play style, build, and gears already u have. May I say, save your spina, look your combat style, and dont lazy to read some info on there about katana skill (especially on the passives) then you will know, which one is better.

 

Well, I did not argue that strdex is better the other way and just point out the fact that the full str get higher dmg(around 2%). My simulation uses the minimal equip since I do not have spina and orb > <. You can try yourself but I expect the str build will still get higher damage since the increased dmg also get the cd multiplier.

Yes, if you worry about graze, you can go full dex. But the lower stability can result in lower dmg. I also worry abount graze. That’s why the mix build for me.

Lastly, someone says that the full str gives higher dmg or the other way around. But how much is it? To my surprise, the damage different is low (no more than 5% at current meta) even if we take into account stability.

Super lastly, with the next next next level cap and upgraded weapons, the full str build will GRADUALLY widen the gap.