LFM>4-WAY GEM RUN TRADES FOR NEW EVENT BOSS (and why it is MUCH more profitable than selling)

3 Runs (11 gems total) are actively underway! We currently need 2 more members for a fourth run for the new Lvl. 150 7 Millions Download Boss

I'm currently organizing with others to trade gem runs between sellers. If you have a gem and would like to join, please PM me! This is a 4-way trade in that if you have a legend gem, you share your legend gem with 3 other people with legendary gems, and they each take turn sharing their own. So for one legend gem you get 4 legendary gem runs. EVENT BOSSES ONLY!

The essence of Gem Run Trades: People buy gem runs because they profit off them. They profit because drops are more valuable the raw spina amount they offer. Therefore, by getting only drops instead of raw spina, you get the most highest profit possible.

If you understand this, you'll know why I do trades. If not, you can look at the math below to find out why gem run trades make wayyyy more spina.

Spoiler: Current Gems

The below gems are ready to run within the next 72 hours! If any gem has 4 members, then that means we're ready to do a run. So 3x Glory means we need 1 more member for 4 Glory Gem Run. As stated above, we may do runs of differnet gems as well.

Spoiler: Ready to Go

1x Ultimate
3x Glory [CLOSED! Run will take place within next two days]
4x Legendary (CLOSED! Run will take place within next two days)
3x Legendary (Separate Run) [NEED 1!]
1x SRD

1 Gem unpurchased (will be purchased within a few days? I think? It'll be before D. Witch goes away)

The below gems are waiting for the next event or have yet to purchase the orbs/gem pack.

Spoiler: Waiting for Next Event Boss

1x Ulti
0x Glory
0x Legendary
0x SRD
4 more unpurchased Gems from 2 different sellers
Three purchased after Halloween Event gives orbs
One purchased on Nov. 24th.

Spoiler: Details and Scam Prevention

Using legendary gem run example: You bring 3 other people with gems into runs for like 1.5m. Then, the next member does the run and sells at the same exact price, until we have done 4 legendary gem runs. In the end you pay nothing (you received 4.5m from your gem, but paid 1.5 each for 3 more gem runs). We pay each time as if we're selling/buying to discourage scamming. The order of the gem runs and pay inside/out will be done on case-by-case basis based on reputation and previous gem run proof. For example, randoms in sofaya or new forums users must bring the first run, and cannot ask for pay outside. More trusted members are allowed to do the run last.

SEE "WHAT IF NOT ALL GEMS ARE THE SAME" FOR EXAMPLE TRADE!

Spoiler: What if not all gems are the same?

Basically, every gem run is like selling so that later gem sellers can't just do 3 gem runs for free, and not give their own gem.
Example (all glory except player 3 legend which is 600k less, so 1.4m)
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Player 1 sells gem first. He gets 6m, everyone loses 2m.
Player 1: +6m, Player 2/3/4: -2m
Glory gem 1 finished
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Player 2 sells gem next, gets 6m
Player 1/2: +4m Player 3/4:-4m
Glory gem 2 finished
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Player 3 sells gem next, gets 4.2m
Player 1/2: +2.6m, Player 3: +200k, Player 4: -5.4m
Legendary Gem Finished
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Player 4 sells gem next, gets 6m
Player 1/3/4: +600k, player 3: -1.8m
Glory Gem Run finished
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Note how if anyone leaves/doesn't provide gem, it isn't that much of a scam. Like if player 4 leaves before his run, he still paid 5.4m for the 3 runs.

I deliberately put more trusted people with better proof at the end too so less scam chance.

Spoiler: Profit of Trading vs Selling [ULTI Gem at Goldoon]

Okay, so Ultimate is easiest to see why trading is more profitable (because it is guranteed xtal).

Let's say Goldoon xtal worth 5.5m right now (CB is 5.7m lowest)
Selling ultimate gem 3.5m sounds great for you, but compared to trading with 3 other ultimate gem sellers it loses at least 10m.

You get Goldoon Xtal (5.5m) and 15 dyes (2m) from selling, as well as 10.5m from buyers. That totals 18m.
If you trade with 3 others, you get 4 goldoon xtals (22m) and 60 dyes (8m) which is 30m. That's a difference of 12m. And that's when you sell at 3.5m... which many gem run buyers complain is "too expensive." I saw a lot of ultis go for under 3m, which drives profit down further >.>

Note: there is the inconvenience of having to sell all those dyes, but imo the 12m extra profit is worth it.
Note 2: I just noticed fighter uniform is worth 1.8m now. That makes it another 5.4m more profit from ulti trade than ulti sell.
Note 3: Fighter uniforms 2.5m now. That makes one ulti gem trade worth nearly 20m more than one ulti-gem sale at 3.5m if you were really smart about when you sold your drops. If the math is unclear with these notes, just let me know.

Spoiler: Profit of Trading vs Selling [Legendary Gem at Dragon Witch]

A LOT of people are saying that selling is better because of the stable income from straight up spina. NO IT'S NOT AND HERE'S WHY FOR THE 10TH TIME:

With four legend gem runs, you can get 0-4 xtals. Some people are saying it's riskier than selling because you can get no XTALs and 0 spina profit. Yes, you can get no xtals, but the probability game still HIGHLY favors trading among other gem sellers. Also it is just as likely to get 4 xtals (which is probably at least 23m profit) as 0 xtals.

For sake of example, let's do Dragon Witch (Jeila Very hard) with Legend Gem

0 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 0m profit (6.3% chance)
1 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 5-6m profit* (25% chance)
2 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 10-12m profit (37.5% chance)
3 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 15-18m profit (25% chance)
4 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 20-24m profit (6.3% chance)

*I estimate D. Witch as 5-6m profit, but I think it will go up after event. The higher XTAL price btw, the better it is to trade than to sell.

Compare with selling at 1.5m each for Legend (many sellers even sell cheaper like 1.2m)
4.5m guranteed
0 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 4.5m (50% chance)
1 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 9.5-10.5m (50% chance)

Note: You can get a max of 1 Jeila xtal for bonus profit when selling. With 4 Legend run you can get up to 4 Jeila xtals. Jeila is worth at least 500k, imo it's 1m+ after a month or two.

The most probable outcome of 4 legend runs is 2 D. Witch and 2 Jeila xtals is almost 14m. This is already 4m higher than the highest you can get selling, which only has a half chance of occurring.

If you get unlucky and only 1 D. Witch drop (25% chance), you still get 6-7m+ because of 4 chances of 50/50 Jeila xtal drops. Compare that to no d. witch drop from selling (50%) and 1 chance of 50/50 Jeila bonus.

Yes, there is a 6.3% chance you get a financial disaster with no D. Witch drops. But for the rest of the 94%, trading is simply better by the millions. Also, doing more gem runs is fun and challenging, at least IMO.

Spoiler: Downsides of Trading

The most notable downsides isn't in profit, but convenience. Organizing and finding other gem owners can be a pain, and having all 4 present at the same time requires organization and communication. You can't immediately do a run when you want to, and therefore many people may prefer selling. If you're about maximizing profits like me though, trading is definitely your best bet and will net you extra millions.

Please do not be one of those people that offer Traveler's gem. I get whispers from those three times as much as I get actual gem traders. SRD/Legend/Glory/Ultimate only. If you can provide Victory Gem (3 times), however, feel free to message me! It is unlikely, but we may need a victory gem provider for a NM run of a hard event boss with Ultimate Gem if our party sucks.

 

Ahem I got no gem on me rn but just saying at jeila theres also a risk factor of falling on the spikeholes and losing the drops completely in that case too it is a total loss.
I know the chances are less but they still are still significant if you are tanking.

And looking at the sheer amount of people farming there jeila isnt gonna go to 1m in just 1month. Choco ooze is the only event xta that went as high as 8m after event but
thats coz there was no gear to replace it (even that is dropping now coz of gears like nightcap)

 

If you change my estimates the result is still the same. The bonus spina you can get from trading [4 possible Jeila xtals] outweighs the bonus spina you can get from selling [1 possible Jeila xtal]. It's just a matter of how magnitude.

Jeila is already 500k minimum. It's also the premier AMPR xtal besides Tapir, so people might (mistakenly) buy it if they focus on building MP recovery. I have a hard time seeing Jeila prices dropping even further from now, because less people are doing the boss than before so less Xtals. The price won't be exactly the same, so I think it'll go up in a month.

I actually became over level 100 only a month ago (most of my time on Toram was 2 years ago), so these were the only two event bosses I've seen besides Plat Potum. But Goldoon was selling 4m during event and has raised to 5.5m+, despite being a bad York. My goldoon sat on CB for more than 1.5 weeks until it sold for 5.4m. Meaning, I do think xtals will go up post-event, but I'm speculating off one occurrence.


Spikeholes/losing drops applies to both trading/selling. I would argue that it hurts selling method more because you only get one shot, in fact.

 

Hmm yep goldoon is rising coz people like to dig atk/matk too much, dragon witch will increase too being a dps xta but not jeila coz it doesnt have any dps stat and theres just way too much supply for it.

Your idea is definitely good but I feel it would be better if done with experienced players/friends rather than just any random person who has legendary gem but hasnt farmed jeila vhard.

 

Spoiler: Argument on Jeila prices (isn't really relevant to topic)

I stilllll think Jeila will go up because it provides second most AMPR along with some extra stats. Yes there are better ones, but people will buy anyways I'm pretty sure. There are also market fixers who might hoard all the event xtals in hopes of making a profit. And of course, it's limited so I really don't see how 500k is gonna be the highest price it's going to be selling at in the months to come.

Goldoon went up despite it being less damage given than york by 1%. Yes it has -3% aggro (and accuracy but that's next to useless), but in the green xtals it is sort of outclassed by Iconos and Ifrid. Imo it is only rarely better than york in some niche situations were the 75 mp really matters. But york is just so versatile and can go in any equipment.

My point here is that most people tend to agree with the above assessment that York is better than Goldoon. Yet the price went up after the end of the event anyways. This, I believe, is because in this case "rarity" is sometimes more important than actual "worth" in determining prices. See prices of 96+S 2S bow vs price of 92+S 2S bow, when they're not that much different at all. I will concede that Jeila xtals appear to be much more common than goldoon xtals were.

So far the legendary gem run that's ready to go (when the final forums user gives his available times -.-) are all veterans lvl 120+ and trusted sellers on here. Even if one gem provider is basically useless, we should be able to still defeat most bosses. D witch is really weak, but for bosses like goldoon victory gems will ease the trouble (at least one of us will have one).

 

This is a great idea, but since i always do with atleast 1 of my friend, and sell 2 other spots its impossible to do. Unless she has a gem too she cant join, and i always do runs with her. For her it would the same around.

 

You're like a gem broker, an elaborate way of handling those runs. ^_^

 

PM me and we might be able to get something sorted out ^^

 

Thank you! I have only one gem right now, so annoyingly I don't even profit off some of the arrangements I'm making. I realized that only after wasting an hour typing this.

 

I have a glory gem and two victory gems. Pm me if there is still a spot.

 

Indeed there is! We have 3 glories now, I should be able to find the fourth very soon ^^

Do you have any proof of legitimacy? Please DM me any past runs, screenshots, etc.

 

First of all i will be using a very volatile 2h class so is there a tanker out of the three that are in this shindag?
And yes i will upload a screenshot of my gem
Your offer is different and i enjoy a good challenge and also for recording purposes
So let let me know thanks

 

I recognize your name anyway. Check my private message ^^

We're thinking about running right now.

 

KitKat?

 

That's me! Legend was it?

 

Lol that case you could get scammed too by trade and after gem he run and not paying inside for trade like that

 

That s a very legit business . Tho, I am way to lazy to make good business like u kitkat.

 

Well aware, I have ways of dealing with that.

 

;-; alright, let me know if ya change your mind!

 

This is one good idea ^^ but for me I think gems should be used inorder to help out your friends although I'm not lucky enough to get it and help my friends ...I'm not saying selling is bad but sometimes it's fun to share that's all ^^ I know buying orbs is not cheap and not everyone is lucky to get the gems..But I do feel that having fun is alot better than becoming rich in a game..
But I know everyone's not same so I'm jus being selfish here q_q Sorry