Long Range and Power Wave?

Anyone ever try these passive combo?
Long range increase atk from 8m++ when power wave will increase range and will reduce atk if not equip mage weapon. But if we combine both of this passive, how good it will turn out? Will long range counter power wave? I already have no slot char to test it. Anyone kindly help?

 

I think Long Range isn't 'no limit' though, so I don't think it will have any effect on other weapons apart from bows/bowguns (unless I'm wrong :x). Power wave although being no limit, I read somewhere that it doesn't work for bows and only works for bowguns (from the 8m – 10m range)

I do have lvl 10 power wave on my brawler and lvl 5 long range, I can check if theres any difference.

Just tried it too in case you're still curious
Power Wave with magic device as sub weapon did around 250-ish (after attacking many many times, so this should be the lowest it can drop to) while without magic device as sub weapon it was half of that 125-ish (after attacking many times too, so that should be the lowest damage it can drop to too). I don't have a bowgun on me now, sorry. Can't try, but I think this --> might be useful.

 

How about on sniper?

 

Hmm I'm not sure, I haven't tried with a bowgun yet. After this dinner I can fly back to Sofya and take a Bowgun to see if it drops by the same amount as knuckles with/without magic device. (from the 8–10m range part)

 

Power wave is only for default or basic attck right? If not staff or md(as main weapon) damage decreases. I dont think it affects the main skill.bows is already in range,not sure if it applies also.

 

If possible please test like this. Main weapon is bowgun n secondary is arrow and please test if long range can counter the power wave damage reduce?

 

I second this! I wanted to create a zany (but not poop) bowgunner build using Power Wave, but I put the idea aside because there was no information (until now) about this interaction and how to compensate for the damage loss.

 

Hello, I tried briefly with a bowgun and a 1hs to use for comparisons

Weapon ----- With M.D (as sub) ----- Without M.D (as sub) ----- With Arrow
Knuckles ---- 250-ish --------------------- 125-ish
1HS ---------- 70-ish ----------------------- 35-ish
Bowgun ----- 46-ish ---------------------- 23-ish ---------------------------- 26-ish

*all attacks are rough estimates of what I see
*all attack values are only after repeatedly attacking many many times with normal attacks and thus should be the lowest damage values possible
*all the above values are from 'Power Wave' attack, between 3m–10m for the melee weapons and 9m–10m for the bowgun
*for bowgun, I took the highest attack and lowest value I saw out of numerous hits and divided by 2
*my Brawler has 210 Agi with Lvl 5 Long Range and Lvl 10 Power Wave​

Doesn't seem like the skill 'Long Range' has any effect on the skill Power Wave though even with a bowgun equipped. Or maybe this is due to my brawler having only 1 Dex to not fully utilise the bowgun and Long range skill, not too sure. But this is done quite briefly, so I didn't record every values, my apologies for the 'briefness' of it.

Yup, power wave only works for normal attack. The damage decrease can be negated if you use a Magic Device as a Sub-weapon too .

There's an earlier thread by Precaria about Power Wave too , not sure if you saw it yet. ---> Click Me

 

it looks like the damage reduction for non-magical weapons is 50%.
in this case the long range bonus must be 100% to reach the original attack value.

if long range comes after the reduction: 100 -50% -> 50 +100% -> 100
if long range comes before damage reduction: 100 +100% -> 200 -50% -> 100

 

Can u record the range too like from what distance u make the damage?

If it that case, maybe when we have leftover of sp, we can invest on these passive.

 

Oh, for the melee weapons, those were the damage from Power wave itself, so it's further than the melee range, (more than 2m for 1hs). As for the bowgun, it's from the range 9m – 10m (since anything 8m and below would be the normal bowgun attack).

 

So what distance that u made that damage? Do u remember?

 

For the bowgun, it is between 9m and 10m. Or do you mean for the 1hs and knuckles? For the melee weapons it's between 3m to 10m.

 

How many sp u both on those skills?

 

Lvl 5 Long Range, Lvl 10 Power Wave. I'm not an archer by the way, so I don't have any Dex stats.

 

Oh can u test both 10?

 

Sorry I don't have anymore skill points, I have Long Range at Lvl5 so I could get Quick Draw for my brawler.

 

Oh. Okay

 

According to Japan Toram, Power wave only give below bonuses:
M device +70% damage
Staff +40% damage, range +2m

So with a staff, you should be able to strike from 12m, as supposed to 10m with everything else. So that gives you same range as a bow.

Using a m device as a sub eliminates damage penalty. So sword / bowgun / knuckle could do normal damage from 10m with a m device sub,

With a bowgun and m device, you can hit from 10m AND benefit from Long range as LG is weapon specific. As to how much the bonus is, I haven't tested. However, since anything over 8m is considered long range and ur max range is only 10m, the window is rather small. You would probably do more damage with staff main and arrow sub, and build a STR-staff/arrow staff-shooter.

However, you will lose out on skill damage bonus that you would get from using bowgun, or status ailment bonus that you would get using a bow. All in all, it's more 'fun' than practical.

On that note, a end-game INT/AGI/CRT m device will probably have the hardest-hitting auto attack, which is weird. And I have no clue how to take advantage of that and make something out of it.

 

So will bg user gain +70% boost atk too if equip md as sub? About auto atk with md, usually it will miss a lot if with a full dps mage. That why I said this powet wave useless for dps mage.