March 23rd, 2017: Update, Recipes, Drops, Boss

I don't think that xtal is designed for a mage (the way most people play mage) to be honest. I am using it on my Ice brand glacier, and i am doing 3000-4000 additional magic damage (+200% Addtional magic). 1h/dagger build 200 Int / Dex / Agi. It isn't uncommon for 1h swords to have cspd such as black sword of delusion / brutual dragon sword. I'd say that these builds require a bit more thinking on how to maximise their potential, as it is easier to max str and aim for high crit dmg, negating the need for more novel builds.

In terms of staffs, Bexiz Staff is somewhat the staff version of BSoD. If you wanted to attach Lupin to it, then I could see your point, since it's unlikely your additional damage will out-damage storm. But this particular comment was on the staff alone, as in the stats would elude to it being more of a close combat weapon, than a standard mage staff (matk , Int%, Dex%).

 

You dont need ampr nor aspd for protation on mage , you got a skill that restores 3mp in a span of 3 sec and you are the only "magical" based class ingame meanwhile you can use alot of physical skills in that can help prorate via your own combo which is sufficient enough. Like mayam said , there's a big difference on wanting to be different from the norm to being useful and efficient.

 

I don’t think this is about proration, more about how this staff could be utilised.

I am defending Red-Fox’s creativity in that he is welcome to explore these options, I don’t think agi-mages would be significantly less useful in a party than a normal mage. I would prefer that over a luck mage. The fact he is brave enough to look into this is more helpful to the community. Than say, endless unsupported criticism.

In addition, if a mage could leverage ampr over mp charge, then they would have an advantage and be more useful in my opinion. As my experience with TD and Izanio is that mages that charge, are often killed. I don’t think mages who need 300 seconds to revive are that useful.

Mayam comments were in regards to the crysta, not the staff. The Lapin xtal has a use, though I don’t think a mage would have the best time with it, though a dps character could get a good boost. For myself, 3000-4000 Magic additional magic damage (+200% Amag), on top of 500-600 additional melee, 1000-1200 normal, and 700-800 dagger @ lvl 111. 10k dps from auto isn’t a bad thing (ignoring the uncertainty) , but it’s not a 120k*3 strike stab either where critical still has an advantage for physical skills.

They are two separate discussions. One on the usefulness of the staff and one for the Lapin xtal.

 

Criticism is there to help people open their eyes to reality. It might be a simple disagreement in your eyes , but in the way I'm seeing it , I criticized people to help them see the flaws in their build.

Yes you could raise your aspd with agi and yes you can have auto on range with the help of power wave, but you would never have a decent way of increasing your ampr not unless you sacrifice alot of matk gears for ampr , but it would never be decent enough because unlike other class , mages doesnt have a decent way of boosting their overall ampr not unlike other class that has skills like trigger slash or shadow step , and at the end of the day your agi mage could only achive a standard amount of ampr by sacrificing alot of power but would never be astounding enough to be your core.

Rather than embracing the idea of ampr for mage , he should just focus on stuff that caters to efficiency.

 

Umm, I think you should have just read what the entire conversation was in context for. You'd save everyone a lot of time.

 

Excuse me? I'm 100% sure of what I said is correlated to main point of the conversation , which is agi not being useful on mage.
And the first part of ayames statement was in regards to the idea of mage build.

Which he used to answer your statement that you used to answer the statement I made regarding the usefullness of the agi stat on the staff.

The second part of his statement was probably for your other comment.
Recheck which quotes quoted who

 

Anyone got a picture of a thunder spear? Cant find anyone made one

 

you are still arguing about this?

i have guide about this mage, it's popular, people like it, i have fans, i'm lv98 and everything is according to plan.
The End

you can stop trying to kill my build, because you can't

 

The int+dex dagger builds like irusaru's indeed made dagger mages popular,
But your int+agi dagger builds like yours? Lol no.

Also ironic I only replied to him because he quoted my post , and now 4 days later you are here quoting my post again on telling me why I'm still arguing.

 

Siregg has issues, I would just ignore him.

 

Me having issues , I dont think so.
I am just openly criticizing the effectivity of agi on mages , even he critized my builds before and of course I answered him properly, but as of yet he haven't even given me a definitive answer for the effectivity of agi stat on mages.
If you criticize other people's build then you should also know how to answer a criticization of your own.

 

Still waiting for your "how to hax 1.9m additional magic" to show us how op lapin xta is.

 

because i was not the first
even the magic swordsman was invented before i did it again...

and it's an evasion mage, not a dagger mage. that's why i labeled it "Time Mage" in my class guide while the dagger mage is the "Red Mage".
because the Time Mage is the fastest and has the highest evasion of all mages in final fantasy.
it's like comparing apples to pears

 

Though I pretty much don't wanna persue this topic anymore but this shall serve as the last on this thread,
The main question here is the effectivity of 'agi' stat on mage? You can definitely have high evasion without agi , and you can definitely be faster by having high cspd with the help of dex, which gives you a higher cspd per point of cspd.
At the end of the day what's left of you is dodge and aspd which i refer to my first statement " as the 2 least useful stat for a mage", mages are fragal without vit and if you'll invest agi to sustain dodge in hopes of it boosting your survivability , it wont be enough , not until you got at least 200+ agi at least. Aspd? Just no , you dont need it , you can make a self prorating combo and you can also restore 3mp in 3secs , why would you need aspd for?

 

that logic applies to everything else as well

the most evasion comes from light armor, which benefits AGI and misfits INT and VIT. getting mdef reduced by light armor without an equal or greater increase in other stats is not worth the cost.
evasion cannot be used against mobs that are not your target, while dodge works against all mobs.

i have that too

Inzanio, Twilight Dragon and Aranea have a different oppinion about that

me neither, but this could go on forever, so just accept that the "class free system" allows more than one option

 

what level is required to have Assassin garb available in blacksmith list?
Im 78 and still can't see it.

 

it's in the 91-120 category

 

Thanks, bro