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*NEO Dual Sword Build High ASPD*

Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by Lynxia, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. Mdbanime

    Mdbanime Well-Known Member

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    I got a York's pendant but it says neutral resistance 10% what's the diff between that and magic and phy resistance
     
  2. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    This is the last time I am gonna post since you keep ignoring the point I make.
    You can not test def damage reduction at tapir as it doesnt have 100% stability the 1200 to 1100 is just a stability difference NOT a def reduction you just got a lower stability point from tapir its not an actual reduction.
     
  3. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    0 to 250:- 10def/mdef = 0.8% reduction
    250 to 1250:- 100def/mdef = 1% reduction
    1250+:- 1000def/mdef = 3% reduction
    Having extra 30def after 250 only reduces damage taken by 0.03%
    1200 to 1100 is more than 8% reduction theres no way its possible to be by def increase.
    Watch the video if you want proof.

    Not even 500 increase in mdef gives 8% reduction.
     
  4. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    I didnt just run 1 test for each i did it several times for each to make sure to differance was accurate
     
  5. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Explain how in my video 500mdef is only giving 6.2% reduction.
    If you did test several times you would know how much stability tapir has. So how much is it?
     
  6. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    Dude just drop it please. Im not changing it that 33 added to my M.Def did drop Tapir AoE damage on me by 100+- i ran it several times. I stand firm on my builds def and Resistence from York's Pendent. It will progress.
     
  7. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Please try the same 33def difference at golden skeleton.
    Its last smash on normal attack is 100% stability so you will only get 2 different values 1 critical and 1 non critical.
    You staying firm does not change how the stat works.
     
  8. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    Even with the differance in attacks they were still about 100 damage apart i just choose an average where the attacks mostly fall at from the hit i recieve from those tests
     
  9. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    I am not telling you to change your build right now :)
    Just quoting your incorrect results which may cause confusion to new players.
    33def after 250 limit does not give that large reduction its been debunked by me since a very long time.
     
  10. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    Asobimo can always change it. I like my build the way it is. If i feel comfortable with it there is no need trying to get me to change cuase I'm making to choice to have high def along with York's Pendant that is my choice.
    Just how i was my choice to ignore the people advice on my high ASPD and Dodge to my build and i am glad that i did cuase now i have a build that i like and that suites me.
     
  11. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    I am not stopping you from using anything.
    If you wanna use it go ahead just please dont bring up numbers that make no sense.
    And no it is not changed I test that frequently it is still the same.
     
  12. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    I know your trying to help but im going to continue uping the def every 1% of deduction from def counts and as newer armor with higher def comes out getting higher def will be easy espiecially with those 2 Def up skills in buff skill tree that inceases both Def and M.Def base on current lvl.
     
  13. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    I know it not changed xD just stating that anytime Asobimo can change it.
     
  14. Lynxia

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    Just redid the test again there is still close to an average 100 damage difference in tapir AoE Attacks with i added that 33 from Moxiz Strap , nothing i said about that tests i did was off. Ill be posting the video hear soon :)
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Did you watch my video? In the description I mentioned every single value from the 10% unstability of cassy's aoe.
    Please mention all the values like I did :)
     
  16. TheXIIIthGuy

    TheXIIIthGuy Bye bye Elite Member

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    Uh, extemely sorry to butt in but I'd like to have a word about this little argument.
    1) If devs were to change how DEF and MDEF work, they would have most likely announced and hyped up the change. They've done that plenty of times in the past, the most notable time being the Rampage revamp.
    2) If devs indeed ninja buffed DEF and MDEF, then they would have to rework everything that involves these stats. Especially Gloria, since that skill would change from meh to pretty broken.
    3) If they were to do this, they DEFINITELY would have warned everyone about the skill changes, for the same reasons as above.
    There are probably more arguments, but that's what I can come up with on the spot with simple thinking.
     
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  17. Lynxia

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  18. Lynxia

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    Thats just my opinion though cuase as you have noticed newer Helmets and Armor are having more and more def as they come out. Buy like lvl 200 people def would already be at or close to 250, then at lvl 320 even higher then that.
     
  19. Lynxia

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    Maybe Tapir Stability is trying to trick me xD , but this is what get keep getting a lot.
     
  20. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    The video is unavailable.
    Either way indeed it is due to stability.
    I went out and had to test myself after getting hit by its aoes for 20mins straight I got the result with 228mdef:-
    The damages I took from the red aoe where he jumps up and throws down bags of cottons
    80% 386
    81% 390
    82% 395
    83% 400
    84% 405
    85% Missing value
    86% 414
    87% 419
    88% Missing value
    89% 429
    90% 434
    91% 439
    92% Missing value
    93% 448
    94% 454
    95% 458
    96% 463
    97% 468
    98% Missing value
    99% 478
    Even after 20mins I missed 4-5 values lol its so unstable. Either way the difference in maximum and minimum values is 20% so which means his stability is 80% only.
    So you seeing 1200 to 1100 as a reduction is just a stability change as it isnt even at the half stability point (if 1200 is maximum point then minimum point is 960).
    The chances of you getting 100points reduction after 33def is fairly large.

    I instead recommend you to test at golden skeleton as it has 100% on his 4th normal attack.
     

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