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Noob Questions about skills often used by 2H Warriors

Discussion in '2-Hand' started by Ryuneda, May 3, 2017.

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  1. Ryuneda

    Ryuneda Well-Known Member

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    Hello fellow Toramians, I've been working on my 2H for a couple of days now, after peeking at some videos by 2H masters here, a lot of questions popped up just like torrent site's advertisement.
    I've searched this entire forums and bunch of my questions have arrived at enlightenment HOWEVER, some things still left unanswered. So I just made this thread to get some helps, here I start:
    1. Why 6 skill points on Trigger Slash? I mean, if you're looking for AMPR buff isn't 1 point good enough? It says "until next skill" no? But if you want to unlock Rampage, why not 5 instead? Is there a benefit of 6 points?
    2. What is the benefit of Quick Aura buff? The only thing comes to my mind is that QA takes no proration thus good for combo filler? Or am I missing something here?
    3. Is there an MP Bank skill other than Shell Break or Warcry for 2H? I have a double smitted skills combo on my Triple Kicker 2H (Triple Kick and Tempest, ofc) the lowest MP usage I can achieve is 300 MP with Shell Break [Save].
    4. Is Shell Break Lv 10 really worth it? How is the proc rate? I have only Lv 5 SB on my 2H btw.
    5. About Binding Strike's stop ailment. I read it somewhere that LV 10 Binding Strike inflicts stop at 100%, my question is: whether it has a cooldown like Shield Bash's stun or not.
    Thanks for taking your time to read! :)
     
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    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    1. 200mp trigger
    2. Increased aspd
    3. So far they're the optimal mp bank.
    4. Lv 1 will do if you want the 400mp return and save bank.
    5. Stop ailment has a cooldown.

    ^_^
     
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    1, if u use trigger for ampr, keep it at lvl10 as it will give u +10ampr

    2, quickaura is used as a filler, with swift its an instant 0mp skill that adds nothing to proration which increases ur physical dmg, if u didnt use javelin instead but jav is too slow

    3, warcry imo is 2h best save skill, adds nothing to proration and increases everyones atk by 15% if its lvl10

    4, the proc rate for sb is the same at all lvls, only the dmg increases with lvl

    5, binding strike is close to 100% proc rate havnt really tested it myself but the stop wont proc again if the mob is still inflicted with stop but the cooldown is around 6secs iirc (its been almost a year when i was using earthbind to check)

    Imo as a 2h im sticking with tempest as main dps and hh and astute as side dps, with neutral sword in a 2mp combo hh can do 33k+ astute 59k+ and tempest 95k+ on initial hit with no jav because i wanted a fast low mp costing heavy hitting 2mp combo, but with a 3mp dps skill, ud either use more mp, combo takes longer to finish, or tempest will be weaker, but binding strike is still new and asobimo loves their nerfs
     
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    Oh... that's why I saw people using Trigger Slash [Consecutive] at 3rd or 4th combo chain without MP cost.
    I see, so it is 1 AMPR per level.

    Ah, that should be obvious from its name xD How much is ASPD increased by this skill? any idea?
    Oh, now I want this skill! :)

    Okay thanks, I'll just stick with these two skills then.

    Now I regret having 5 SP on SB, lmao.

    That's way better than Shield Bash's stun I guess.

    I got your point, the truth is I'm not so happy with my current Triple Kicker 2H. Maintaining 2 main DPS skills in a combo is kinda hard for 2H, both MP and Damage. Idk but i think shell break's armor break less procs with my 2H than my shield mage.
     
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    Trigger gives 10% base ampr per lvl, i say that because a lvl10 trigger will give dw +20ampr
     
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    Stop from binding strike is indeed 100% but nope its not better than shield bash as stop doesnt work on regular bosses. Good for 4x mini boss hunting yep.
    Lvl1 sb got around 11% proc rate will let you know the difference between lvl1 and lvl10.
     
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    Sb tested as well.
    Confirmed increased proc rate of armor break by leveling up the skill.
     
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    Oh thanks a lot mayam! :)
    btw, do you think Quick Draw also works in a same way?
     
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    Yeah quick draw as well increases proc rate only, mp recovery is fixed at 100mp
     
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    Thanks! ;) as clear as usual.
     
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    May I ask what combo are you using? Thanks :D
     
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    Hh, warcry save, quick aura swift, astute smite, impact con, tempest smite, trigger con. I mostly cancel the trigger on the first use then let it hit on the 2nd, i use eerie in my ring so regaining mp isnt an issue
     
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    Thanks! What if the boss is like pg which you can't tumble nor flinch?
     
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    Change hh to holyfist and impact to either spiral con or sonic con and change astute smite to astute con, the combo will still cost 2mp
     
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    hi mayam, do u know tye proc rate sb at lvl10??
     
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    Me and my friend experienced 25%+ proc rate at lvl10
    But some claim that its lower around 20%
    Anyways the goal of our test was to check if theres any difference between lvl1 sb and lvl10 sb.
    The answer is YES, the proc rate is higher at lvl10 than at lvl1, theres no ailment skill whose ailment rate remains same throughout the lvl
    If you are using sb to regain mp its definitely recommended to max it at lvl10
     
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    ill try get sb to lvl10 to check it out the proc rate. Thanks mayam ^^
     
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    At least use it 500-1000times to check its proc rate or else people wont believe in you XD
     
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    hey BK what do u think about this combo hh, warcry save, astute consec, impact consec, tempest smite, trigger slash consec (1mp)
    and what stat do u prefer on armor str,cd,cd,cr or str,cd,cd?
     
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    Have another skill before astute and change astute to smite, that combo is 2mp because u arnt using up the 1mp thats left over, and depending on what skill is before astute the combo would still be 2mp, i prefer quickaura swift before my astute smite, and s7cd7cd12 but if u can get a s7cd7cd12cr+12 use that
     
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