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Tank: 1H Sword + Shield (LVL 150 cap)

Discussion in '1-Hand' started by athena__, Jul 17, 2016.

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Is this tank good?

Poll closed Dec 15, 2017.
  1. Yes

    66.0%
  2. Its ok

    30.7%
  3. Nah

    3.3%
  1. equites

    equites Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the guide, it is really informative ;)

    And I have a question :
    If you have 5k HP, +D/+C equipment, and only 20 sp left, which one would you choose for optimal damage mitigation? Aegis+Protection or Sanctuary ?
     
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  2. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    With just the information that you have given i would say aegis and protection coz sanctuary needs higher hp to show its full potential.
    May i ask what class are you making? So that i can give further input.
     
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    equites Well-Known Member

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    Ah thanks for the quick reply!
    Right now Im making a dps class, but I rarely meet with a dedicated tank in boss run. So in most boss run, I accidentally have to become the tank, and some other guy took the dps rank :fail: :rip:

    I want to increase my survivability so that i dont get one shotted easily in Hard/NM run...
    For now im relying on flinch/tumble for survivability. But when these moves are banned or failed to cancel red zone, im basically dead.

    When I'm trying a guardian/protection/sanctuary build, my lv 40-ish (without any vit stat) can take NM Warmonger and Hard Roga like a boss, while my lv 90+ dps can be easily one shotted. So im thinking, why not add one of these op skill to my dps build :kappa:
    Guardian is out of the equation btw.

    Oot : Mayam, you should make a guide on resistance build! Resist is so op!
     
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  4. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Hehe theres still very few pure tanks that know what they are doing and do it with dedication.

    To make a good semi tank it highly depends on the class and their stat growths, for example staff fu, 2h and bg snipe they all get very high dps growth with just 1 stat so they can distribute more points on vit as secondary stat.

    Guardian i would only recommend if you want to move even further to the tank side as it gives approximately -5% atk for every party member inside the radius of 5m at lvl10, bg shield can get its most potential as a semi tank because of their high atk growth while 1h shield can use it but since their dps already low even without guardian its a bit tough to work out with them.

    And yes, i am actually working on the ultimate survivor guide which will have details on all the dmg reducing skills different tips and main topic will be the usefulness of stats resistance vs. def
    I want to make it as detailed as possible so it will take a while, please look forward to it. ^^
     
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  5. athena__

    athena__ Well-Known Member

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    I agree with @Mayam going with protection and aegis first before sanctuary because it works better with lower hp builds. Plus it will help keep your other party members alive. With this cap to 115 I'm going to be starting to add sanctuary but it will still be lower lvl for the time being but I plan to utilize trigger slash to help with casting this. Glad this guide helps. ^^
     
  6. equites

    equites Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the suggestion @Mayam & @athena__
    Took protection, changed to resist gear and with a minor tweak on combo, my dps char is now kinda sturdy. Can easily take hits from nm warmonger! From 600-ish normal atk it gets reduced to 200-ish!
    Now i can spam combo in peace :kappa:

    Ah and about my tank, I finally decided to put my stat on luck-160 and vit-60. End up with 7k ish hp at lv 76. Easily tank ultimate warmonger, but noticed that im more likely to use revita on roga due to poison :fail:

    These are the combo that i use, managed to hold aggro easily from a full fledged gun fu. I was equiped with +12% aggro and resist gears.

    Main aggro combo :
    Opener > impact lv7 (save) > sanctuary (swift) > trigger slash lv6 (save) > guardian (consec)

    Fast sanct :
    Opener > impact (save) > sanctuary (swift)

    From my experience, playing as a tank is fun, stress free and low cost (!). You get the control to boss movement, able to slack off + chat in battle, and still easily take the tank rank. I think im going to retire as dps and start my career as tank :kappa:
     
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  7. athena__

    athena__ Well-Known Member

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    Updated 115 lvl cap
    Took out battle skill added points to support skill tree to eventually get sanctuary
    Maxed guardian
     
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    How about using magician's ring for the mp since you dont need to deal much damage in the first place and hence you dont need to upgrade mp boost to lvl 10. Mp regen problem could be fixed by ending each combo with trigger slash.
     
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    Knights talisman works best I think. You don't need tons of mp as a tank and with the aggro you get from knights talisman you don't have to use combos as much and can focus on prorating for party members to increase their damage and interupting when needed. I do have the main combo up there with guardian where it ends with trigger slash.
     
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    As someone with 10 alts, 2 of which are pure tank/support, I love this fact. When I get into a group on my tanks most of the time I get friend invites and invited to alot of runs. Especially so for SG/Nure/Jade/ECB etc. Tanks seem to be rare enough that of you do play one and play it well, you are pretty much guaranteed a spot for the really good stuff ^^

    Also a big thanks to all the contributors and theory crafters in these forums because if it wasn't for them and thier detailed explanations I can easily say without a doubt I would not be nearly successful/confident in my roles as I am. So much respect and props to the trend setters for their input and analysis and I can't wait to join their ranks with some builds and insights of my own soon ^^!!
     
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    Ah. I'm sorry. But what does the +E mean? I'm now learning about how to be tank.
    If you're still in this forum ?
    Thanks !:)
     
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    athena__ Well-Known Member

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    I'm still here ^^
    +E is referring to the refinement of the equipment. All of them start with 0 and can go to +S. The refinement is important for a tank cause it added resistance. The weapon refinement isn't as important for full tanks because we don't focus on damage but you should refine your armor, shield, and additional. So the higher the better but I recommend if your a tank having no lower than +E for good results. Hope this helps.
     
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    Ahhhhh I see ! Sounds great! Thanks a bunch! I'll be coming back here if I have anymore questions !
    Starting from lvl 1 for tank lol and I had created the icicle sword and forgot to look and this and I needed the other sword haha whoops.
    But awesomeeee !
     
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    Ahhhhh I see ! Sounds great! Thanks a bunch! I'll be coming back here if I have anymore questions !
    Starting from lvl 1 for tank lol and I had created the icicle sword and forgot to look and this and I needed the other sword haha whoops.
    But awesomeeee !
     
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    Ahhhhh I see ! Sounds great! Thanks a bunch! I'll be coming back here if I have anymore questions !
    Starting from lvl 1 for tank lol and I had created the icicle sword and forgot to look and this and I needed the other sword haha whoops.
    But awesomeeee !
     
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    Oh and also how should I distribute my stats starting from LVL 1? Should I max out VIT first and then do Dex and MTL or......? I'm not sure even them All out at the beginning?? Or idkkkk
     
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    Vit should be your main. Start adding that. I think at lvl 40 or 50 start adding dex. As of right now I found 50 points in dex is plenty to work with. Save mtl for later as this is something that is not necessarily needed right away.
     
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    Awesomeeee you're the best!!! Thanks a bunch!
     
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    Dear Athena, with the new Halberd skill tree I was wondering about something:

    What if you replace the slow assault attack with the fast (non flinch tumble or stun) Flash Stab? As a tank its quite reckless in my opinion to charge very close to the enemy; an aoe could hit you :(, with Flash Stab this could be (partly) solved. :) What do you think about it?
     
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  20. athena__

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    Flash stab is a great alternative for replacing a 1 mp skill. It works fine with 1h as I use this skill with a different tank. I would recommend getting it instead of holy fist since this build was made before halbred skills were released. I wouldn't replace it in use of assault attack while there are some bosses you shouldn't use that on assault attack is handy for keeping up with constantly moving bosses
     
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