Why there are no Tanks oO

from what I see you survived by kiting a boss, it is still considered tanking but by running around.
as I said before Kiting is an emergency tanking use depending on the situation.

 

Arrived at the same conclusion when people started attacking other's builds and protecting their own. There is no set way to tank. If he gets the job done, I could care less if they are pure LUK or pure VIT. It's just different ways to accomplish the same result: to tank.

 

i have 2 tanks, ones pure vit, other is vit and str

 

The HP and DEF boost from VIT are stupidly low now, need a boost, like, really? a furry xtal give 1000hp = ~100vit, wth?
And a lv10 Gloria boost DEF far more than 211 VIT could gain you.

 

You also have Drill that gives 100% crit rate which is > than 100 crit stat. You have Libra that gives 1000 cspd which is > than 100 DEX. It's there to compliment different builds, don't use it if you don't like it.

 

whats gloria? and xtal are hard to get

 

Those are not main stat (HP/MP/ATK/DEF) and wont help other class suddenly jump to your field.
Let make a Sword or 15SP investment Skill that increases your ATK by 1000 then.

The priest level 2 skill. Hard to get to some but tradeable.

 

Gloria is a priest skill that raises DEF, MDEF and Guard Rate based on the characters base stats.
meaning: Gloria gives a great defense boost on characters that have a good defense to begin with,
and it has very little effect on characters that have low defense.

the shield skills Protection and Aegis reduce damage taken, so they are independant of your own def stats, but as compensation, they lower the other defenses on equal value.
Lv10 Protection grants -50% physical damage and +50% magic damage.
casting both skills will have no effect, since they cancel each other out.
Gloria reduces damage for both types without drawbacks, but it does not reduce damage directly, but increases your defense stats.
so you need some VIT and INT to gain more defense to increase Gloria's effect.

 

Exactly how DEX not a main stat or exactly how VIT is more of a main Stat than DEX?

Giving other classes 1k hp allows them to survive, it does not make them a tank.

A sword with 1500 atk can still benefit from cdmg bonus from STR stat. It will still miss due to lack of DEX. 1500atk does not make you attack faster, so it has no correlation to AGI. And INT... Sure, we might have magic swordsman for real now. What's the point in this example? It does not mean you won't need the stat, it enhances your build by giving you extra.

With full VIT, people get 7-8k hp? Adding the xtal gives them 8-9k? A mere 12.5% increase. Why don't you complain about S roar Crystal earrings then, it gives you a 100% increase over your 300mp.

The xtal didn't ruin the game. If it did for you, don't use it.

 

One problem is that Vit doesn't give you any Magic Resistance. And there's really not much option to be able to include it on a Tank build.
Also, it sucks that Guard can be easily acquired by DPS classes.

LMAO Vit doesn't give 10HP per point. I have 3k HP with 41 Vit(w/ Lv10HP Boost) at Lv75. That means I have 2k HP from Base+Vit. Afaik, you only get 700-800HP base HP. HP per Vit increases as your Level increases.

Iirc, most characters with Full Vit have 700+Def. I don't think that's something Gloria alone can achieve.

 

more like it came from other boost. VIT Increases 56 HP per 5 points...
700+Def? I have 130ish VIT character with lesser than 200 or around 200.
Those DEF should come from Equipment not VIT.

I said HP/MP/ATK/DEF. The most "main" stat in any games.
ASPD/CSPD/Crit aren't "main" stat.

 

VIT = HP and defense
INT = spell power and mdef
ofc it doesn't give mdef that's how things are. you can't have VIT that gives out mdef, its just wrong

 

What we need is a weapon type that give ATK or DEF using VIT.

 

Read
what Red_Fox said

What is your character's level, saiyatan? Check on your facts and figures before shooting.

With 220 Vit, a charcter can have more than 14k HP and 700+ Def. Here is proof.
This picture is from BK, who posted in page 5 here: http://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/why-there-are-no-tanks-oo.7919/page-5#post-92559

 

And I used crystal earring adding Mp as a counter example customized to fit your argument. Did the 100% increase in mp make everyone a Magician? I didn't think so.

Cspd is not main stat because 'you' specifically have no use for it. For my build, I'd die to have over 1k cspd, it shaves 1 sec off the spells I cast and allow me to get to my DPS skill sooner, allowing for:

- a shorter combo duration for survival
- more frequent snipes for DPS
- more time to build up for my next combo for DPS

Cspd is useful to me, just as much as Hp is.

If a stat that is not of use to you is not considered a main stat, then I don't see a point of continuing the discussion.

 

@Island: What part of that come from VIT? Surely not all of it.

It has its use yeah but surely 800Matk/200cspd >>> 200MATK/1000CSPD.

 

Exactly which part of the xtal and equipment 'complimenting' your build did you not understand. Sure, not all of them is from VIT, but the equipment / xtal that he has helped him accomplish that. They are ADD-ONS to make your build stronger!

I'll stop here, and go talk to a wall instead, at least the wall doesn't argue back with... Er...

 

I know, I know,I know, that's nothing again if not more support to how the increase of VIT is so neglectable now.
Gloria alone cant accomplish 700DEF but so do VIT. Gloria lv10 give more DEF than 220VIT could.

What's wrong with my comment? Go bashing your head into the wall.

 

Agree with you. I'll stop here with this coversation too.

 

You missed the part about Gloria being a % bonus to what you already had. Not a static gain but % gain.

Everything. Your comments show inexperience.
Show me your build.

 

Well even with non vit char, gloria increases by hunreds, more than 220VIT does.
Inexperience sure, but the nothing wrth that fact.
I did play games where Higher HP/DEF than a certain point is not need and all you need is eva/kite. That same seemed applied to the luck tank build there.

 

@Ashavir please go easy on him. I have a feeling that he is on the verge of understanding and only need a little push to get there. I'm sure we've all been through that stage some point in the game.

I didn't have the patience this morning and I apologise for that.

 

@saiyatan Gloria level 10 boosts your character's Def and MDef by 200%. So it's Base x 3.

Example:
No Gloria: (Base) Stats = 100 Def | 100 MDef
With Gloria lv10: (Boosted) Stats = 300 Def | 300 MDef

 

you mean hp and defense, not hp and tank. it depends tbh, since armor only gives out flat number of defense as opposed by Vit stats. not everything can be compensate with just using different armor sets and accessories alone. you gotta have a back up for it and stats is one of em.[/QUOTE]
agree

 

Therefore, if your base def is weak (aka low VIT), the end result from the boost will be weak. Gloria does not replace the need for VIT, it enhances the effects from the VIT you already have.

We are still at an early stage in this game where people have not invested in a second stat, and VIT was proven to be a non-priority for many classes. So the use of Roga xtal and Gloria are temporary measures to help people past this point of game. It does not mean that VIT will never be needed or we can continue to rely on these items to bypass the use of VIT stat.

I agree, if one day, they come up with a 200k Hp xtal, that every one and their moms can tank, it might defeat the purpose of having VIT, but it will all be relavent to the HP that we have and the damage we will take at that point in game. If by then, the bosses does 150k attacks, a 200k Hp xtal is merely enough for survival, not necessarily making everyone a tank or render the use of VIT stat useless.

That said, with bosses hitting 1-2k these days, a 1k Hp xtal merely aids survival.

Hope I have explained better this time?