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Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by -Meow-, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. -Meow-

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    1.I am confused about the button "All users" on CB. I tried looking up different items with that button on and off, and they gave me pretty different results. Also I noticed that when registering an item there's the button also with today's tax. I've never pressed that button and my tax seems to be always 10%. What does this button do? It doesn't seem to give me a wider range of results and in some cases it even gives less results compared to that when it is turned off.

    2. I've never played a dual wield. Do the stats of the sword on the secondary weapon slot function?

    3. Why does it seem easy for people to refine +A/S and +B? I know previously +S was relatively easy due to a bug with hyper hammers. Isnt it fixed now? I still see +S a lot. For +B my full tec bs has like a 10% success rate with even hp ori. With regular ori the risk is baiscally 100%. But +B is pretty common. Is there any trick to it?

    4. How does quick draw work? I have lv10 quick draw but it doesn't trigger as often. I know it's 30% chance per skill. But when I use a long 1mp combo (6+skills) it sometimes doesn't even trigger once. And sometimes when I just use a short 1mp combo it gets triggered every time. And it seems to trigger even when my combo is interrupted or the target gets out of range. This skill is so wierd and feels like a gamble most of the time instead of a stable mp recovery.

    5. Since snipe has a -25% crib chance penalty and the max crit rate is 95%. Does it mean that snipe will never have a 100% crit rate? Or at least 95%? Crit% doesn't seem to cancel out the penalty.

    6. For adding stats, some max values of stats are just your lvl divided by 10, such as crit, crit% etc. Others like atk% or physical pierce are calculated differently. How are the max values of those you can add determined?

    7. People say curiosity kills the cat. How does it happen exactly?
     
  2. BK

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  3. -Meow-

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    @BK
    You said quick draw only triggers on skills that actually use mp. Does this include skills that use banked mp in a save combo?
    And you said "all user" let people from different servers see the item. If I don't use it, then does it mean only people from the English server can see my items? Would people in inter channel see it also?
     
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  4. Bedsheet

    Bedsheet Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Elite Member

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    The +S bug was fixed kinda recently so it'd still be common to see some +S around
     
  5. FiR

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    For me, all user is kinda same if u click or not. Well after all it is depend on the item u sell to determine ppl buy it or not. So i suggest let it be off.

    Bout QD, maybe ur att miss or something? xD just asking. coz usual 1mp combo that hav save also hav chance regain mp. (Usual 1mp combo). Maybe u could list ur combo?
     
  6. BK

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    Mhm so that can be with swift smite or untagged or even ......INVINCIBILITY
     
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    1. From my experience, All users apply to both servers (EN + Inter) and only those items which were registered on "All users" from both worlds (so many , but not all, items here are overpriced but u find larger range of selection). Other is limited to current server. About tax%, i think its not fully operational (like enhancer xtals and awaken elements). 10% tax is basic tax to register something on Cons.

    2. Stats of sub-weapon do not function but elements do. Though im not sure that element applies to atks of sub only or all (including skills).

    3. People gamble it. +Bs are common. You must have full tech. If you have it then you might need insurance tickets, Anti-degradations and Hyper magic hammers.

    4. Quick draw can work after any skill i think mp charge is an exception not sure. It may work thrice in a combo or none at all. It has around 20-30% chance of activation, rest is your luck.

    5. One thing to be noted Crate10% added to previous 30 crit rate is not 40%. The values of 10% and 30 are multiplied. Means now you have 10% more crit rate than original (33%). Crate 10 on other hand stacks and adds to previous (40%).

    6. Not sure but there has to be a formula for that. Think we can wait for future lvl caps and when Atk/Dex/Matk/Int 8% are released.
    That level ÷ 8
    Confirm in future updates since new %s (4>5>6>7>8...) are always released at a lvl with multiple of 5.

    7. Not sure :/
     
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  8. Groot

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    Consignment fee is 10% off all items registered automatically goes to server
    All User's daily tax gets added to the original price of the item as viewed by a buyer...also has consignment fee
     
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    Ty for the reply. I still felt BK's explanation on QD made more sense. When I fight zega I use moeba - smoke save - sneak swift - magic arrow swift - impact consec - snipe smite - lance smite (I have less than 600 mp). According to BK that would be 4 skill using mp so a total of 80% chance of activation per combo. And this is close to how I felt in reality. I also noticed that QD never triggered with smoke save or Impact consec.
    The question I asked about crit rate was not phrased clearly I apologize. By crit rate I meant the actual crit rate. What I was imagining is that if I use crit personal stat plus passive skills and crit equips to reach a 133% crit rate, and snipe's -25% would lower it to around 100%. Then I would theoretically crit snipe 100% of the time or at least 95% of the time. The game doesn't let u crit all the time but it never says that your crit rate can't exceed 100 in value. I think the 95% crit rate upper limit is applied after all the calculations are done, such as snipe's penalty. This is what I wanted to ask about/confirm.
    For the refinement question, I do have full tec and all 3 refine skills maxed. But +B is still seemingly impossible without stuff purchased from the orb shop. A few updates ago my old guild master told me she could do more than B and just need hp ori. And she showed me a weapon with +B and it felt that she did it with just regular ori. And at that time she was only like lv90, maybe not 255 tec yet. That amazed me and made me wonder if there's any trick.
     
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  10. Ketriro

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    1.All users affects "All players" on wht they sell....which is much more convienient cuz u get more stuffs to select.......the tax changes daily? Or weekly?

    2.As @Mr.Hermit mentioned.....Stat does not function and Elements does....

    7.Curiousity doesnt always kill the cat.......actually Curiousity is a good thing.....this quote was made because of trying everything they wanna know getting up messed up......But Because of "Failing" or "Messing up" because of "Curiousity" u learn......Like for example......Dis guy try was curious and tried making Knuckles as main and tried Sword as Sub weap.....it did not work and failed but its a lesson learn.....and a guy wasted all his stat points in str with his brawler......yes indeed he messed up but he learned from his mistake

    Going back to ur question.....How does it happen exactly?

    If i take ur question litterally
    Cats dont die from curiousity....infact most of them are smart and can take care of themselves......they r smart because they r curious

    If i take ur question a Happening in toram
    The Essay i just did on the first paragraph explains it

    :3 :D
     
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    A xstal in sub slot has never worked, asobimo states that it doesnt
     
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    Ohhh i see lemme edit my post in a sec xD
    But one time i had a boss roga on my sub my hp increased •-•
     
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    Probs a bug because roga is for armour only
     
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    i'm reallly curious how u got ur roga into ur sub :D
     
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    Yeah I use PG xtals on the knuckles of my Gun Fu as sub, armor and add gear too. :rolleyes:
     
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    I would disagree of 80% activation chance of Quickdraw in a combo since it can activate many times (upto 4 in your case) in a combo. So you cant possibly explain it by activation in a combo. Thats where you are confused. After each skill, you have 20% chance which doesnt stack on rest of combo. You may use 80% chance of not activating throughout the combo. Also, Quickdraws chances dont increase after each skill so 80% chance on combo is pointless. And i have experienced it on smoke save and consec impact and you might have too lol. Its hard to notice.

    I dont think you can reach 133% crit rate with modern stats yet. If the crit cap is 100% then 75% can be max crit rate for snipe. As i previously mentioned, you may be getting confused as to how these 2 different stats work: Crate% Crate+.
    Crate+ adds to basic crit rate
    Crate% multiplies to basic crit rate

    Professional bs spend money on refinement chests (specially when theres sale) they get a lot of insurance tickets. Not sure how they work but they do at least double the success rate
     
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    I wasn't going to mention about Quick Draw but seems some believe you get multiple chances of activation inside 1 combo, this is false. Quick Draw activation rate rolls in every Standalone Skill which spends MP, and on every Skill which opens a combo. There's a delay which makes it seem that your saved skill or the skill after it activated QD but it is the combo opener skill (you can test it by using a long range skill as opener followed by a short range skill, don't approach so it doesn't activate, you can receive the 100 MP back before executing the following skills after 1 second approx). At level 10 the activation rate is 20% as a base, it seems to be 30% with bowgun and 40% with bows (my mage's and tank's QD doesn't activate as often as my gunner's, and my gunner's doesn't activate as much as an archer's, hence the assumption of the percentage hierarchy). If someone has a solid proof of QD activating twice in a combo please share it. All my builds use QD, and I use QD since November 2015 and NEVER has been activated twice, so I conclude the chance rolls on the opener skill.
     
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    I use 8 ganglef xtals on my sniper :3 all 2slot gear 2 in each
     
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    Refinement chests? That is definitely professional BS but not the bs u hopin for
     
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    Yes it's true my quick draw activate twice to my bowgun user using combo but i activate it three times in one combo but it never happen again it's very rare to activate it three times to bowgun user.
     
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