Why is decoy shot so needed?

I'll say it's kinda okay, but Decoy/Resonance/Maximizer are just way more efficient and require waaaay less actual gameplay interaction too be successful with. That and you don't need to worry about Shell Break unless you want to with these skills, so proration doesn't take a hit either. Oh right, also tag on that Shell Break doesn't get screwed over by Aggravate/Strong Chase, if you took those skills. o3o.

This coming from someone that tries to stick Chakra into all of their combos and enjoys the skill. Those skill are just way more...I don't want to say braindead, but are just way to efficient not to be called "way way better" than Chakra. The one benefit Chakra has over all of those is that the chances of you ever dying or your party getting wiped from being dumb gets reduced waaaaay more than you'd ever think it would. 100mp and the damage reduction can go a long way.

 

Dw can make a combo that recovers 1 mp per use and 2 if quick draw activates.

 

I'll bite. Which combo is this?

 

Any 1mp combo + chakra(with knucks equipped)= 0mp combo
Yeahhhh, bit underwhelming.

 

not sure how “spamable” that is chakra has a long cast time and 1mp combos that still do decent dmg are often already long af

 

Okay, I thought I was missing a skill when you said "if they all hit". I was like. Wha?

Happy new year btw. o/

 

The only way is chucking in a lot of dex and ignore crit in favor of any cspd. I didnt say it was meta lol. Fun build nonthe less like the 40k aspd monster.

 

Brawlers got same accuracy as a blind mouse hence the crit addiction in that class.

 

whats wrong with having decoy on other chars , ur free to build what u want its toram afterall , ur not bound to stay on 1 path , u can just focus on atk% xtals without worrying about ampr with decoy

 

Open game with no class ofc decoy is must i can do 5 combos(short) in same amnt of time i do 1 and recover mp my 2hs has 61 base ampr pair it with rampage and trigger 106 now double it with decoy and decoy nvr misses mean my decoy is generating ampr for me while im missing my auto as sometimes berserk runs out and astute misses. So yeah decoy is must for me. This game got many names finale online decoy online unlimited tenryu works unlimited SC works kirito online.

 

Open game free to build whatever u want decoy or no decoy does it matter.

 

There's nothing at all wrong with Decoy Shot. It's so overtuned, looking for an excuse too not use Decoy seems futile. It's just that great.

I thought you meant the combo needed too connect all of it's hits to do the 0 mp combo. Which was what made me so confused. I thought I had missed a skill or something xD. But yeah, blind mouse would be apt.

 

Theres nothing wrong with using it, we are main complaining that it is so broken that it is easily abused by other weapons that have poor mp regen as a weakness to become even more stronger. If anything I would like more restriction on non bow/bowgun weapon like increased cast time by 3sec, have more delay between attacks.
Imagine if mp charge > maximizer had 0sec cast for all weapons and not just staff/md.

Halberd is so absurdly powerful as a weapon coz of a +75crit 100% pierce skill, its main weakness used to be that it had poor mp regen and struggled to attack once its mp was depleted which made it more balanced, decoy however completely removes that weakness, not only does halberd has respectable 4m attack range for decoy but it also gives back mp if you MISS. Halberd users can keep getting mp back without ever worrying about depleting mp, a class that used to be very poor on long runs is suddenly the ultimate juggernaut of it making other weapons look extremely lame in comparision that is not how you are supposed to balance a game.

If 1 skill is so much better than the others it will never promote uniqueness in builds.

 

Not to mention that random ampr boost

 

I have, but seeing as you can build however you want we all have different experiences. And personally I didn't feel much of a problem with ampr for the classes i've mentioned, granted I already have the ampr boosts I need from avas and potion buffs.

 

Only logical and practical use of chakra imo is a 0mp bow debuff combo. But that would be the most stupid move since decoy afterall is in the same skill tree. Nobody wanna waste 20 sp for chakra just for novelty. Stargems maybe since amongst all 4th tier skills it is the cheapest one to produce by stacking tier 1 passive.
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No class need decoy to work.Decoy just makes almost every class better.And ur not better than devs about balancing classes when u say decoy should be avaible for hb lol

 

What?

Why do people think decoy shot is this necessary? Most builds already have great ways of restoring mp.

1h & 2h can use trigger slash at the end of their combos; this works especially well if you have a good amount of ASPD, which you should be able to get from berserk. If not, quick aura with light armor or an ASPD potion can make a good substitute. You can even add rampage to this mix if you want to. Unless you need to use a combo like impact>meteor (smite)> trigger slash (consecutive), i really don't see why you would need decoy shot.

Brawlers can use shellbreak to have a 25% chance to restore 400mp, which statistically speaking, is like recovering 100mp each time you use your combo. In addition to that, they also have really nice ASPD and a small AMPR boost from aggravate. Despite this, in practice, brawlers are somewhat lackluster when it comes to restoring mp, but if you just use your auto attack a few times (3-6 depending on your AMPR and combo) after using your combo instead of spamming it you should do fine.

Katanas can use either shukuchi, kairiki ranshin, or both, and will typically have more mp than they actually need. (I haven't used a katana in a while though, so don't take my word for this one.)

Lastly, I can understand if you use it with a halberd since they only have an option between shellbreak: a lackluster skill if you get unlucky or go up against a high-evade boss, and War Cry of Stuggle: a skill, despite being very effective in restoring mp, is incredibly dangerous and tricky to use due to the fact that you would need to have your hp at 50%. Decoy also has great synergy with the halberd because it has 4m of range instead if 2/3m like the other melee weapons.

I understand that decoy shot is really nice for a lot of builds, but just like quick draw, it's really overrated and unnecessary if you are using a non-bow/bowgun build in most circumstances since you can just use the skills that come with your respective weapon type.

 

Auto Atking to recover mp is very weak, and has a ton of weaknesses, especially for melee classes. There r a ton of moments where you can’t use auto Atks at all. How am I to recover mp when the boss is using huge aoes 24/7 or surrounding themselves in floor spikes. Then, when there is finally an opening I’m busy using a combo so I’m not getting mp back. And you can’t use cheap combos because they are way too long and get you killed or they are really weak and useless. I think the only melee class that can get by without decoy is probably dw with their double Ampr and atk canceling.

TL;DR
The devs are forcing players down the short and expensive combo route and auto atks don’t regen enough mp to keep up with the demand.

 

Decoy doesnt even come close to being as overrated as quick draw.
It deserves to be rated as high coz it is in fact so broken and abusable.
--It randomly gives +25 ampr surges if you cast it multiple times. Even with no ampr equip and just maxMP thats free 55 ampr per attack.
--It recovers mp back equal to your ampr even if it didnt hit the enemy meaning 1mp combos with decoy can be cast at 0mp if your ampr is 100+ which is very easy to reach for classes like dw.
--It recovers mp back despite it MISSES or gets evaded. I would like to know what other class can recover mp through ampr if the boss suddenly had max evasion or 100 crit resist like feilen from event.

Also if you read my earlier post halberds do not deserve decoy because slow mp regen is supposed to be their weakness as a weapon being more powerful than others.